Re: Line Wrapping Question
Terry Crowley <tcrowley@vermeer.com> Wed, 07 February 1996 22:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: Line Wrapping Question
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Ned, I know I shouldn't jump into this argument, but I can't resist the opportunity. I have no argument that QP is not a presentation encoding, it's a transfer encoding. However, QP is specifically designed to support sending of long lines. Most implementors of MIME readers have recognized this and made sure that they wrap long lines when presenting them to the user (usually at the window width at presentation time, not to some fixed width). I agree, text/plain is defined as "unformatted" text. But wrapping unformatted text is a very reasonable presentation thing to do (perhaps as a configurable user option). I'm sure if text/enriched had seemed like more of an integral part of the MIME spec, and if there hadn't been confusion introduced by QP's handling of long lines and text/enriched's handling of long lines, more implementors would have decided that when deciding to send formatted text, to send QP-encoded text/enriched rather than "just send QP". But that's not how it happened. >From your rather vociferous reply, I take it your mail client or gateway didn't wrap text/plain by default. Given that, you've taken the world view that "just send QP" is a radical misunderstanding of the difference between transfer encoding and presentation encoding. But most MIME implementors have found that sending QP results in decent interoperability of automatically wrapped text and therefore took that approach. They knew that any mail client that supported MIME, supported QP, but couldn't guarantee that it would support text/enriched. So "just send QP" was a more conservative thing to do. Yes, you really need a presentation semantics to cleanly handle quoting of wrapped text. But that's a distinct issue. Terry
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