Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review)
"Carlos M. Martinez" <carlos@lacnic.net> Wed, 21 August 2013 19:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review)
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Ole, I wasn't implying that the IETF 'has decided to do nothing' (paraphrasing myself), I was arguing the point I felt the previous poster made. I'm well aware of the massive effort putting together such a conference implies, and I'm confident that good solutions will be found. cheers! ~Carlos On 8/21/13 4:11 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> the problem with the all the 'but' cases is that they sometimes cannot >> all be addressed. However, this is not a valid reason to not address the >> problem/request at all. >> >> "Since we cannot accomodate every_single_particular_possible_request, we >> decided to do nothing" just doesn't cut it. On the other hand, >> accomodating 80% percents of the perceived needs does cut it. >> >> cheers >> >> ~CArlos >> > Carlos, > > Nobody is suggesting that "we decided to do nothing." What has been > suggested is that SIM information is better provided by someone > "local" be that the host, sponsor or simply someone who lives in > the locale in question. > > Putting on an IETF meeting is a huge undertaking and it literally > takes WEEKS of work from a team of dedicated volunteers and > contractors who worry about everything from local electrical power > conditions to ensuring that the IETF meeting network routing prefixes > are properly propagated, and much more. Adding the SIM info to the > list of "nice things to have" would certainly be fine, expecting that > this become a mandatory requirement for hosts or even something the > secretariat has on their task list seems a little too much to ask in > my opinion. > > The Wiki model has worked, volunteer efforts such as > http://hiroshima-info.info are also helpful (I have been told), but > please remember that it is/was a volunteer effort, not a contracted > piece of work. > > I think SIM info is certainly something that a number of people are > interested in and Randy has already collected some information in > the make-shift wiki. I am sure there will be much more to come. > > By the way, if you are reading this and happen to actually LIVE in > Vancouver, please get in touch. There are many tasks on our to-do > list for that meeting where local assistance would be greatly > appreciated and actually reduce the cost of running the meeting. > Your tax^H^H^ meeting dollars at work. > > Cheers, > > Ole > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > Skype: organdemo
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- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… joel jaeggli
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… David Lake (dlake)
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… George, Wes
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF Keith Mitchell
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… joel jaeggli
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Brian Dickson
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… David Lake (dlake)
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… David Lake (dlake)
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Randy Bush