Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review)

"Carlos M. Martinez" <carlos@lacnic.net> Wed, 21 August 2013 19:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review)
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Ole,

I wasn't implying that the IETF 'has decided to do nothing'
(paraphrasing myself), I was arguing the point I felt the previous
poster made.

I'm well aware of the massive effort putting together such a conference
implies, and I'm confident that good solutions will be found.

cheers!

~Carlos

On 8/21/13 4:11 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> the problem with the all the 'but' cases is that they sometimes cannot
>> all be addressed. However, this is not a valid reason to not address the
>> problem/request at all.
>>
>> "Since we cannot accomodate every_single_particular_possible_request, we
>> decided to do nothing" just doesn't cut it. On the other hand,
>> accomodating 80% percents of the perceived needs does cut it.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> ~CArlos
>>  
> Carlos,
>
> Nobody is suggesting that "we decided to do nothing." What has been 
> suggested is that SIM information is better provided by someone 
> "local" be that the host, sponsor or simply someone who lives in
> the locale in question.
>
> Putting on an IETF meeting is a huge undertaking and it literally 
> takes WEEKS of work from a team of dedicated volunteers and 
> contractors who worry about everything from local electrical power 
> conditions to ensuring that the IETF meeting network routing prefixes 
> are properly propagated, and much more. Adding the SIM info to the 
> list of "nice things to have" would certainly be fine, expecting that 
> this become a mandatory requirement for hosts or even something the 
> secretariat has on their task list seems a little too much to ask in 
> my opinion.
>
> The Wiki model has worked, volunteer efforts such as 
> http://hiroshima-info.info are also helpful (I have been told), but 
> please remember that it is/was a volunteer effort, not a contracted 
> piece of work.
>
> I think SIM info is certainly something that a number of people are 
> interested in and Randy has already collected some information in
> the make-shift wiki. I am sure there will be much more to come.
>
> By the way, if you are reading this and happen to actually LIVE in
> Vancouver, please get in touch. There are many tasks on our to-do
> list for that meeting where local assistance would be greatly 
> appreciated and actually reduce the cost of running the meeting.
> Your tax^H^H^ meeting dollars at work.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ole
>
>
> Ole J. Jacobsen 
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