Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review)

Ole Jacobsen <> Wed, 21 August 2013 19:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review)
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:

> Hello,
> the problem with the all the 'but' cases is that they sometimes cannot
> all be addressed. However, this is not a valid reason to not address the
> problem/request at all.
> "Since we cannot accomodate every_single_particular_possible_request, we
> decided to do nothing" just doesn't cut it. On the other hand,
> accomodating 80% percents of the perceived needs does cut it.
> cheers
> ~CArlos


Nobody is suggesting that "we decided to do nothing." What has been 
suggested is that SIM information is better provided by someone 
"local" be that the host, sponsor or simply someone who lives in
the locale in question.

Putting on an IETF meeting is a huge undertaking and it literally 
takes WEEKS of work from a team of dedicated volunteers and 
contractors who worry about everything from local electrical power 
conditions to ensuring that the IETF meeting network routing prefixes 
are properly propagated, and much more. Adding the SIM info to the 
list of "nice things to have" would certainly be fine, expecting that 
this become a mandatory requirement for hosts or even something the 
secretariat has on their task list seems a little too much to ask in 
my opinion.

The Wiki model has worked, volunteer efforts such as are also helpful (I have been told), but 
please remember that it is/was a volunteer effort, not a contracted 
piece of work.

I think SIM info is certainly something that a number of people are 
interested in and Randy has already collected some information in
the make-shift wiki. I am sure there will be much more to come.

By the way, if you are reading this and happen to actually LIVE in
Vancouver, please get in touch. There are many tasks on our to-do
list for that meeting where local assistance would be greatly 
appreciated and actually reduce the cost of running the meeting.
Your tax^H^H^ meeting dollars at work.



Ole J. Jacobsen 
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