Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
Spencer Dawkins <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 16 August 2013 16:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
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On 8/16/2013 9:31 AM, Derek Atkins wrote: > On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 07:28 -0700, Keith Moore wrote: >> On 08/15/2013 10:05 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >>> We've asked about this before, but it hasn't got traction. It would probably turn into the new thing to complain about, so I'm not really surprised nobody's jumped on it. >> Since people are going to complain anyway, and offer solutions to >> problems that they don't understand, maybe we should nominate two or >> three "things to complain about" in advance of each IETF meeting. >> >> For Vancouver in November, I think we should complain about the lack of >> air conditioning. > That's sort of like complaining about Atlanta's lack of snow removal > equipment in the summer (or the winter)... Yeah, but the problem with waiting until we arrive onsite to decide what to complain about is that we're not really prepared, and railing on multiple topics lowers the quality of the complaints about all of the topics we're complaining about. If we all decide now to complain about the same thing in Vancouver in November, we'll have *months* for people to compose rants. Probably even as haikus. And then the IETF can sell the collection as poetry, and use the proceeds for the benefit of London participants (whether local or remote). (Ducks) Spencer
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Brian Dickson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ray Pelletier
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dan Harkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- [87attendees] Hotels and walking (was: [87all] IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Hotels and walking Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Donald Eastlake
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Derek Atkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [… Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Arturo Servin
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John Bradley
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Hardie
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tony Hansen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Lou Berger
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Kevin Lahey
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Raitme Citterio
- [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Mishra, Sanjay
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andy Bierman
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hermin Anggawijaya
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Scott Brim
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Eric McMurry
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Samuel Weiler
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Elwyn Davies
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Rosen, Brian