Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review

Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com> Thu, 15 August 2013 18:13 UTC

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From: Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Donald Eastlake wrote:
> 
> In most common law countries/states, someone staying in a hotel room
> is a tenant in possession and eviction proceedings can be difficult
> and lengthy. But there are cases where the hotel industry has enough
> clout to change the law. See, for example, Hawai'i Revised Statuses
> Section 486K-8.
> 
> http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/histatutes/2/26/486K/486K-8
> It's an extraordinarily simple single sentence, but I guess you have
> to read it in the context of the more lengthy definitions in
> http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/histatutes/2/26/486K/486K-1
> 
> Thanks,
> Donald
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>  d3e3e3@gmail.com
> 

There is also the "innkeeper" law in many places which allows the 
guest to stay provided he pays. This comes in handy if you are
stranded in a place because of weather or other factors. Of course
"pays" can mean a number of different things, and the hotel is not
required to honor any special rate etc. I got stuck in Atlanta for
about 5 days following 9/11/2001 and excercised my right to stay
put.

Ole