Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 14 August 2013 17:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
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On 8/14/2013 10:18 AM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > If the registration form had a checkbox as Andrew described, I'd check > it for Dallas, and probably for Vancouver and for Toronto as well. This entire thread seems to be based on the view that we should help hotels mishandle a very large block of reservations. Reservations at a hotel are not supposed to be a 'hope' of a room, but a commitment for one, with the hotel suffering serious penalty for getting things wrong. I don't mean merely that they find some other room somewhere else, inconveniencing their now-non-guest, but cost that hurts the hotel. An error of the scale of 25 rooms indicates that the hotel did not take its responsibility seriously enough. It goes far beyond the typical statistics of "sometimes the numbers don't quite align", as inevitably happens with hotels, but isn't supposed to happen often. It represents mismanagement. That the error seems to be happening more than once suggests that our contracts are not forceful enough. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Brian Dickson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ray Pelletier
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dan Harkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- [87attendees] Hotels and walking (was: [87all] IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Hotels and walking Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Donald Eastlake
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Derek Atkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [… Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Arturo Servin
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John Bradley
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Hardie
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tony Hansen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Lou Berger
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Kevin Lahey
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Raitme Citterio
- [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Mishra, Sanjay
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andy Bierman
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hermin Anggawijaya
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Scott Brim
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Eric McMurry
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Samuel Weiler
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Elwyn Davies
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Rosen, Brian