Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
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Subject: Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
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On 8/14/13 7:35 AM, "Ray Pelletier" <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote: > >On Aug 14, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > > >Ray, this is just a thought, and I'm embarrassed I didn't think of it in >Orlando, but if the conference hotel can tag 30 walkers in advance, could >they go one step further and tag 30 people who didn't travel >intercontinentally to get > there? > >That's a good question. Do others feel the same way? Of course, as in >Orlando, they asked us to select ones not to move and we refused. There >are no VIPs. We asked them to make the selection a random one. When I checked in I had just arrived in Berlin after 10 days vacation in Europe-- my flight was around 2 hours. The extremely nice woman at the counter looked at my (US) passport and assumed I had just arrived on a transatlantic flight and commented about how tired I must be and would I like to be upgraded to a junior suite. The point is, I don't think we enter our commute/travel times when we register so random is the fairest way of handling this sort of thing. Dan. > >Ray > > > > >I don't know whether I'll be in the conference hotel in Dallas next time, >but I was last time; it would be morally wrong to check me in after a >30-minute commute and walk someone else after 24 hours in transit :-) > > >Spencer, who's not JUST jealous that he didn't get walked to one of the >Nick cartoon suites ... > >On Wednesday, August 14, 2013, Ray Pelletier wrote: > >All; > >I wanted to give you some feedback on the meeting in Berlin. > >IETF 87 Brings Record Number of Attendees! > >Congratulations! With 1,435 attendees (1,381 paid and 54 comped) in >Berlin, including 199 from Germany!, IETF 87 is the most attended meeting >since 1,450 attended IETF 63 in Paris in 2005. The IETF is now even more >global with representatives from 62 countries > attending, a new high. See ><http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF-Regional-Attendance-00.pdf>. > >Rock-Solid Meeting Network! > >Once again attendees enjoyed a rock-solid network throughout the week. >There were very few tickets and only some early v6 failures that were >quickly resolved. > >The network team of Verilan and the IETF Volunteers (Vols) began arriving >Tuesday, 23 August to configure equipment and set up. Upon finding that >one of the Juniper routers had been damaged in transit, an emergency call >to Juniper resulted in two routers delivered > immediately to the site. Thank you Juniper. > >Thanks also to Deutsche Telekom (DT) for their early delivery of the >circuits and Clemens Schrimpe for getting the links up and tested in >advance, which significantly shortened the setup time. > >The Team was able to get the InterContinental guest rooms Internet >supported by the IETF shortly after noon on Friday, an event that usually >occurs Saturday or even Sunday. Great job. > >A pilot of the NAT64 network was set up and feedback is that it worked >reasonably well. > >Thanks to the IETF Vols and Verilan for another great meeting network. > >Value Added Tax (VAT) > >This was the first meeting the IAOC encountered the Value Added Tax (VAT) >and its impact on revenues and expenses. Upon advice of tax experts the >IAOC found that the IETF was required to charge a 19% VAT on meeting fees >in Germany. Instead of adding the VAT > charge on top of the base registration fee, the IAOC elected to include >the VAT within the existing fee structure. This means that registration >revenues are lower than previously expected, creating a shortfall of >$137,000 USD. > >Employers may be be able to recover their employee's VAT on registration, >lodging and food and beverage. Additional details can be found at the >VAT FAQ: <https://www.ietf.org/meeting/87/vat.html> > This impact to the budget will be offset somewhat by our ability to >recover VAT of about $65,000 USD on meeting expenses. > >We are not yet certain how VAT may apply to future meetings, and are >currently investigating the tax regulations for both Vancouver and >London. When VAT charges do apply, the IAOC will review each situation >and may choose to implement the VAT differently than > it was handled for IETF 87. > >Overbooking of InterContinental > >We were notified by the InterContinental that they were overbooked for >Sunday, 28 July and that they would be arranging and paying for >accommodations at a nearby five star hotel for 30 IETFers for that >evening. We requested that each affected attendee be notified > in advance and also that the InterContinental work to minimize the >number who needed to be moved. In the end there were 16 who stayed at >the Hotel Palace and only one who showed up at the InterContinental not >having received the notice prior to arrival. > >Onsite Issues > >There were a few glitches in the operations during the week, but >improvements were made quickly, such as the Grab-N-Go experience on >Monday and ensuring enough of the right kinds of soft drinks. >The Secretariat reports that it was very pleased with the responsiveness >and professionalism of the InterContinental staff. > >Remote Participation > >In response to feedback from remote participants a new section called >Remote Participation was added to the meeting home page to assist those >offsite with finding information they need in one location. It will >remain and be enhanced from community input. > >Bits-n-Bites > >Bits-N-Bites turned out to be a popular event again with good exhibits, a >great turnout and lots of food. Problems with shipping, customs and >electrical power created some anxiety before the event, but with quick >work by John Brzozowski and staff adaptations > were made, and with these lessons learned we anticipate such issues will >not recur. > >I've listed all of the Berlin meeting and Bit-N-Bites sponsors below. >Thanks for your support. We could not have successful meetings without >you. Thanks again to DENIC for stepping up when we had no Host and >arranging for the social at the German Museum > of Technology. It was grand. > >IETF 88 in Vancouver begins on 3 November, just 3 months from now. We >hope to see you there! > >Ray >IETF Administrative Director > >PS: See also IETF Chair, Jari Arkko, blog: >http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/08/meeting-summary/ > >IETF 87 Sponsors > >Platinum DENIC >Gold EURid >Gold DTAG >Bronze Dyn >Bronze eco > >Connectivity DTAG > >Welcome Reception EURid > > >Ice Cream Social ADVA Optical Networking > >Bits-N-Bites > A10 Networks > Comcast > Dyn > Huawei > ICANN > Internet Society > nominum > > >_______________________________________________ >87all mailing list >87all@ietf.org <javascript:;> >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/87all > > > >_______________________________________________ >87attendees mailing list >87attendees@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/87attendees > > >
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Brian Dickson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ray Pelletier
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dan Harkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- [87attendees] Hotels and walking (was: [87all] IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Hotels and walking Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Donald Eastlake
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Derek Atkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [… Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Arturo Servin
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John Bradley
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Hardie
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tony Hansen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Lou Berger
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Kevin Lahey
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Raitme Citterio
- [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Mishra, Sanjay
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andy Bierman
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hermin Anggawijaya
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Scott Brim
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Eric McMurry
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Samuel Weiler
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Elwyn Davies
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Rosen, Brian