Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com> Wed, 14 August 2013 15:35 UTC
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Subject: Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
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On Aug 14, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote: > That's a good question. Do others feel the same way? Of course, as in Orlando, they asked us to select ones not to move and we refused. There are no VIPs. We asked them to make the selection a random one. Liberté, égalité, fraternité! That said, there are several problems with this proposal. First, how do we know where people are coming from? They may not be coming from home, and they may have registered with a corporate address a continent away from home. Second, what is happening the next day? If I'd been walked Saturday night, I would have faced an early morning with less sleep and a longer walk. A non-IESG, non-IAB participant likely would have slept in. So I think singling Spencer out to be walked because he lives in Dallas might actually be a bad outcome, although I agree that we shouldn't treat him (or me) like a VIP either. I tend to agree that letting the hotel choose randomly is a better idea than playing favorites, but of course the hotel will choose non-rewards-program or low-tier rewards program members over others, so that could produce a less than desirable outcome. Probably the most egalitarian outcome would result from the ISOC doing a random drawing. But honestly, is it worth all the effort?
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Brian Dickson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ray Pelletier
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dan Harkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- [87attendees] Hotels and walking (was: [87all] IE… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Phil Hunt
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Jakob Heitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Hotels and walking Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Donald Eastlake
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Derek Atkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … John R Levine
- [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [… Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Arturo Servin
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John Bradley
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Hardie
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tony Hansen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Keith Moore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Lou Berger
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Yoav Nir
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Kevin Lahey
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Raitme Citterio
- [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Mishra, Sanjay
- Re: [87attendees] SIMs in Vancouver Larry Kreeger (kreeger)
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andy Bierman
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hermin Anggawijaya
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Scott Brim
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Eric McMurry
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Samuel Weiler
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Melinda Shore
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Mary Barnes
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Randy Bush
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… John R Levine
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Elwyn Davies
- Re: [87attendees] Orlando (was IETF 87 Berlin Mee… Tim Chown
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Ted Lemon
- Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was R… Bob Hinden
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Dave Crocker
- Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting … Rosen, Brian