Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review

Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com> Wed, 14 August 2013 15:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [87attendees] [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review
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On Aug 14, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote:
> That's a good question.  Do others feel the same way?  Of course, as in Orlando, they asked us to select ones not to move and we refused.  There are no VIPs.  We asked them to make the selection a random one.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

That said, there are several problems with this proposal.   First, how do we know where people are coming from?   They may not be coming from home, and they may have registered with a corporate address a continent away from home.   Second, what is happening the next day?  If I'd been walked Saturday night, I would have faced an early morning with less sleep and a longer walk.   A non-IESG, non-IAB participant likely would have slept in.   So I think singling Spencer out to be walked because he lives in Dallas might actually be a bad outcome, although I agree that we shouldn't treat him (or me) like a VIP either.

I tend to agree that letting the hotel choose randomly is a better idea than playing favorites, but of course the hotel will choose non-rewards-program or low-tier rewards program members over others, so that could produce a less than desirable outcome.   Probably the most egalitarian outcome would result from the ISOC doing a random drawing.   But honestly, is it worth all the effort?