Re: [89attendees] The experience as new comer for Sunday
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Mon, 03 March 2014 08:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [89attendees] The experience as new comer for Sunday
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On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 09:05:09AM +0100, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > I wanted to > see if the body leaders will come closer to the new comers even 10 minutes > within the week while the new comers are gathered together group and those > leaders be seen in such gather. That's what the newcomers' reception is for, on Sunday afternoon. I'm sorry I didn't manage to meet you there, though I made a point to get to it (as I always do). I'm happy to meet you or anyone else in the hall, in the meetings, and so on. As usual, though, I also want to push back a little on the focus on "the leadership". I'm not trying to suggest that it's not important for people wearing various dots to meet new contributors. But I also think it's really important that we not think of "the leadership" as somehow dragging the IETF along somewhere. The thing that got me involved in the IETF was that there were particular things that the IETF was working on where I thought I might contribute. I think the most valuable thing newcomers (and any other comers!) to the IETF can do is find something they know about, find some drafts that they're interested in, and read them carefully and comment as usefully as possible. Visiting WGs that might be interesting and picking up a draft that strikes you as at all interesting can be helpful. Listening carefully in meetings where you don't really know what's going on, and then going back and rereading the drafts and asking questions (even clarifying ones, maybe not in the meetings or at the mic) makes an important contribution. I still find those activities to be the things that are most interesting and useful to me at the IETF. (I will leave it to others to determine whether my acting that way is useful to anyone else!) I'm quite sensitive to the recent suggestion on another list that the IETF is a private club. But there really is a way to "join this club" (I'd prefer to say "contribute to this activity"), and it's not by talking to the so-called leadership. It's by working on the standards that we're here to develop. That's the thing the IETF contributes to the universe -- not meetings, or "leadership", or long discussion about cookies or IETF processes (amusing as all that may be). I'm more than happy to talk to anyone at any time to the extent I can help them involve themselves in that core IETF activity; and I hope that's what the newcomers' reception and the hallway discussions are about. Best regards, A (IAB member, speaking for myself) -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
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