Re: [89attendees] Remote participation is pretty good

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Fri, 07 March 2014 15:18 UTC

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--On Friday, 07 March, 2014 13:36 +0100 Hosnieh Rafiee
<ietf@rozanak.com> wrote:

> Just a far suggestion
> 
> It would be good that there was possibility like a classroom
> that the remote participant could really talk (raise their
> hands and the jabber scripter gives him/her permission for
> microphone) and talk. Then I guess the remote participant
> wasn't something different than the real participant 
>...

Sadly (from my point of view), we know how to do this at least
moderately well.  It requires some conventions about how the
Jabber user (or other remote) participant gets the attention of
someone in the room and how the person in the room gets the
attention of the chair, ideally on a priority basis to
compensate for the "slow typing" problem you mention.  It
ideally requires someone watching the Jabber list carefully who
is not also charged with scribing and a convention about what
entries that are typed into Jabber are to go to the microphone
(prefixing comments with "Mic:" has been used a lot.  

In Vancouver, we tried giving Jabber scribes and others who were
likely to carry messages to the microphone special hats so they
could easily be seen by chairs, but I'm not convinced it
accomplished anything.  And, of course, if there are
conventions, everyone needs to be told about them.

Of course, more advanced technologies like Meetecho and WebEx
can help too, but also require attention.

But I think the problem is rather more in our taking remote
participation seriously enough to actually execute on what I
think we know how to do than in not knowing how.  And, also,
probably sadly, being an old timer and complaining a lot helps
too.

best,
   john