Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
wrote:

>
> I reckon that it'll be better if the IAOC just find and copy some
> good policy that will prevent a recurrance of this. I know there are
> some trade shows that have introduced such policies so I'd hope
> we don't have to figure this out ourselves via a protracted list
> discussion of possibilities.
>

RSA Conference was mentioned previously and I found this text that could be
helpful:

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2902752/security0/rsa-conference-bans-booth-babes.html

>
> S.
>
> On 24/07/15 11:47, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> > My impression was that we were discussing setting an IETF policy to
> prohibit booth babes / scantily dressed women at vendor tables who are
> present strictly as sexualized objects.  That's a far cry from a dress code
> for attendees.
> >
> > Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was
> wearing heels, the only reason I would care would be to ask her (or him)
> what brand they are - heels comfortable enough to wear for a standup job
> like booth duty are few & far between! :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lisa
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Rodriguez, Iben
> > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:38 PM
> > To: Ondrej Filip; 93attendees@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy
> >
> > Of course there are 2 sides to every story.  I’ve had to deal with this
> as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this type of reverse
> discrimination based on the way they dress at school.  If a teacher were to
> tell them their clothing style is distracting to the boys in the class we
> have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.  Unfortunately the girls
> need to deal with this too but the world is changing.
> >
> > I came to the conference for the first time with a suit coat and jacket
> ready to dress up as if for a business meeting. When I checked in I see
> everyone in t-shirts and shorts. This is great!
> >
> > Let’s not pass judgement on someone’s role or respectful dress situation
> these days. It goes both ways.
> >
> > Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly
> oppressed by their cultural situation.
> >
> > Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these
> events? How would it read?  Let’s not go down this road.
> >
> >
> > On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip" <
> 93attendees-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org>  on
> behalf of ondrej.filip@nic.cz <mailto:ondrej.filip@nic.cz> > wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> > First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
> really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
> company I take the full responsibility.
> >
> > Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
> with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
> > But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
> just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees although
> not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they know our company
> very well.
> >
> > Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
> sensitivity. I am very sorry.
> >
> > Ondrej Filip
> >
> >
> >
> > On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
> >
> >       Hi all,
> >       In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short
> skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
> >       I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I
> don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF
> should avoid it (IMHO).
> >       Best regards,
> >       Jose
> >       Sent from my smartphone
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Best regards,
Kathleen