Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy

[Warren Kumari <[e-mail]>]

On Friday, July 24, 2015, Alexandre PETRESCU <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>  dress code: should the models be dressed in national costumes, or local
> code, would that be more acceptable?
>
>
>
 Hhhmmmm ... Warren thinks back to the social in Hawaii.
In no way the same situation, but...

I think the big issue is "models" - the device / software / product should
stand on its own merit, presented and discussed by engineers - I don't care
if they are men, women or small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri, they
should know the product and be able to answer questions about it.

The Turis device does stand on its own merits, and the folk who build it
are smart, good folk. This incident was a surprising lapse in judgment, not
(ime) par for the course.

W

>
>
Le 24/07/2015 12:37, Rodriguez, Iben a écrit :
>
>  Of course there are 2 sides to every story.  I’ve had to deal with this
> as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this type of reverse
> discrimination based on the way they dress at school.  If a teacher were to
> tell them their clothing style is distracting to the boys in the class we
> have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.  Unfortunately the girls
> need to deal with this too but the world is changing.
>
>  I came to the conference for the first time with a suit coat and jacket
> ready to dress up as if for a business meeting. When I checked in I see
> everyone in t-shirts and shorts. This is great!
>
>  Let’s not pass judgement on someone’s role or respectful dress situation
> these days. It goes both ways.
>
>  Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly
> oppressed by their cultural situation.
>
>  Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these
> events? How would it read?  Let’s not go down this road.
>
>
>   On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip" <
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> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[e-mail]');> on behalf
> of [e-mail]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[e-mail]');>> wrote:
>
>   Hello!
> First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am
> really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the
> company I take the full responsibility.
>
>  Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working
> with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
> But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them
> just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees
> although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they
> know our company very well.
>
>  Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of
> sensitivity. I am very sorry.
>
>  Ondrej Filip
>
>
>
>  On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts,
> etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
> like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should
> avoid it (IMHO).
> Best regards,
> Jose
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-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
pants.
   ---maf