Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what currency is widely used in Czech?
Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> Sat, 11 July 2015 16:27 UTC
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:27:22 -0700
From: Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com>
To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>
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Cc: "Pat (Patricia) Thaler" <pthaler@broadcom.com>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>, "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what currency is widely used in Czech?
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All these recommendations sound a little bit like how to deal with bears in a national park. Just missing: - Don't annoy the pickpockets - Make sure you've got one in the team who is slower/less careful than you If tourists would talk about pickpocketing to any sales person they meet (shop keeper, waiter, museum, etc. pp) and on social media "i think i saw a pickpocket ... twitter, etc..", AND spend less money in a quarter, priorities of the police would quickly shift. Alas, for the USD centric part of the IETF crowd exchange rater have a 25 % higher buying power now than long term averages because of greece. And CZK is even down somewhat vs. EUR. On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:54:32PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 10 Jul 2015, at 21:43, Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> wrote: > > > > On 07/10/2015 02:52 PM, Pat (Patricia) Thaler wrote: > >>> > >> Well, I've spent time in 3, 5, 7, 8 and 10 on that list (Prague is 2) > >> and never had any trouble. On the other hand, my husband's pocket was > >> picked in Beijing which isn't on the top 10 list. ( He noticed it > >> immediately and nearby strangers helped chase down the thief so he > >> recovered his wallet.) > >> > >> An ordered list of cities doesn't tell you what the overall risk per > >> city is. This particular one doesn't even say what statistic it is > >> ranked on, e.g. total number, % per population; a different > >> pickpocket statistic might produce a totally different ordering. And > >> it doesn't tell you what the variation was - is it 200% or 5% more > >> likely that you run into a picked pocket at number 2 on the list > >> than number 40? > > > > Even if that information was available... what would be the use of it? > > > > Don't want to be pick-pocketed? -- Usually the best way to avoid that is > > "security through obscurity" and "don't do the obvious stuff that will > > get you pick-pocketed". > > > > > > Some rules of thumb: > > > > * Don't use wallets in your trousers. If needed, use one of those > > "envelopes" that end up below your clothes. > > > > * Compartmentalize: Don't put all your valuables in the same place. Say, > > put cash in one place, and split your credit-cards in different places. > > > > * Thieves can open the zipper of your backpack but also shortcut by > > cutting it: whatever is next to a zipper, even inside the backpack is an > > easier target that something in the middle of it, surrounded by > > unrelated/random stuff. > > > > * Whenever you arrive to a city, ask a local about places where you > > shouldn't go (not in terms of pick-pocketing but in terms of, say, being > > robbed at gun point). > > The only such place I am aware of are the surroundings of the main train station (Hlavni nadrazi) at night. It???s also known as Prague's Sherwood. The interior of the station is quite safe though. > > There is one relatively short route where all the ???tourist industry??? concentrates to an extreme: Charles Bridge - Karlova street - Male namesti - Staromestske namesti (Old Town Square) up to the astronomical clock. My suggestion is to walk on Charles Bridge early in the morning and otherwise avoid this route like plague. > > Lada > > > > > * If you wear a backpack, either do not put any valuables inside, or if > > you do, wear the backpack on the front, rather on the back (frontpack? :-) ) > > > > * Always wear the backpack on the front in very crowded places, such as > > public transport. > > > > * Avoid flashy stuff (golden rings, necklaces, etc.). Thives like them, > > and will easily make you a target. > > > > * Do not leave your belongings unattended: (unattended= you're not > > grabbing them) > > > > * If you need to operate on some valuables (e.g. pick up a phone call on > > a pricey phone), get into a nearby shop -- it's way easier for someone > > to just grab your stuff and runaway if you're in the streets. > > > > * Avoid obvious stuff that will get you robbed (e.g., if you're the only > > person walking on some random street at night, you probably shouldn't be > > there. > > > > * Always be aware of your context (if there's plenty of room and someone > > has been standing next to you, there's probably a reason for that). > > > > * If possible, when doing stuff (e.g., sightseeing), it's better if in > > groups: if you fail with anything of the above, someone else of your > > friends might notice and "save" you. > > > > > > Is the above needed for, say, Prague? -- most likely quite a bit of it > > isn't. But if you incorporate the above and are able to apply it without > > having to think about it, you'll reduce your own personal risk of being > > robbed or pick-pocketed. > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > Fernando Gont > > e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com > > PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 93attendees mailing list > > 93attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C > > > > -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com
- [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: what … Pat (Patricia) Thaler
- Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: w… Randy Bush
- Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: w… Fernando Gont
- Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: w… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: w… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: w… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [93attendees] Pickpocket frequency was: RE: w… Fernando Gont
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- Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary ca… Tom Pusateri
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- Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary ca… Lisa Lorenzin
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- Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary ca… Richard Li
- Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary ca… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [93attendees] Have you got any involuntary ca… Lisa Lorenzin
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