Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting

Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com> Tue, 14 July 2015 16:32 UTC

Return-Path: <chelliot@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFB81A3BA7 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:32:24 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.077
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.077 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a7j0Ko_rrIiJ for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-yk0-x236.google.com (mail-yk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A18BA1A21BF for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by ykdu72 with SMTP id u72so12750237ykd.2 for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=lx90tb7NFWRytS8P0C6HZ5oB04Kl2mu5wfUlWC8SZNw=; b=LYkZ7G+MDJP+43zCvuwnsExaV53SrygV9IlC3omZzzAyqlBruzyJTZLHOM2cyCUZXd TG8Ans/dZeVzg7qxwhXH5dBlQn8cAEPYVq6K/m5k3SrdD3sHJNQ+U4YRJlb2DbokZu5G WoiHn2MVPwhgpOiqRpiU/48U5wUMNA0nuxvagn/6J3dCfmcTEWXX1egATnre4q9gNaCm /gbe12zd0SfvzPsPDS5QRQCB0atA9jKZfcEtrSaTmpnMdifytMUhzibagOxZr/PieKzs pHWEu/wWXSvCaLk9qeu0KExu3cNnlQHftm66thPxYnVxeBTMsvgyP/mtcgzLThUDVB3x fcjw==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.170.77.5 with SMTP id t5mr45745401ykt.58.1436891541011; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
Sender: chelliot@gmail.com
Received: by 10.13.225.144 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:32:20 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <C2443FFD-988C-4B31-ADB3-3AEAD994387A@isoc.org>
References: <55A41BEB.3090102@hs-augsburg.de> <55A52719.1000208@gmail.com> <CAO_Rpc+-fQBU+MuOR03VHDgw3HcbOWPcThUR3nR2Vnj9CcM63w@mail.gmail.com> <C2443FFD-988C-4B31-ADB3-3AEAD994387A@isoc.org>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:32:20 -0400
X-Google-Sender-Auth: uJ4fSRBMImY7_6LIsS4Klx10Xhs
Message-ID: <CAO_RpcKCYBxOW9eYLUCD2qiPuAQE3-tj8hwe_AXVJYUr+Y4h=g@mail.gmail.com>
From: Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com>
To: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1139449ae20352051ad86100
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/93attendees/LAunruMOHXBnNgbLHx5CkA5izTg>
Cc: joel jaeggli <joelja@gmail.com>, "chelliot@pobox.com" <chelliot@pobox.com>, Rolf Winter <rolf.winter@hs-augsburg.de>, "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting
X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
Reply-To: chelliot@pobox.com
List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/93attendees>, <mailto:93attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/93attendees/>
List-Post: <mailto:93attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:93attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees>, <mailto:93attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:32:24 -0000

On Tuesday, July 14, 2015, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>; wrote:

> Chris
> I asked Jim and Joel this but no response as yet. Maybe you have an
> opinion
>
> This appears to be a benign experiment, but would it impact operations, or
> in your opinion, intrude on privacy?
>

I do not expect it to impact operations, and, as the device collecting data
will be in the NOC, we can easily disable it should there be any concerns.

Both Jari and I have discussed privacy concerns with Rolf and, at the level
of information I have, I believe Rolf will be protecting our attendees
privacy.

That said, I'm not a security guy and a full analysis of the security
implications would probably need to be done by a security guru.

However, note, with or without our permission, any attendee can collect the
same information Rolf is collecting.

Chris.


> Ray
>
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Chris Elliott <chelliot@pobox.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chelliot@pobox.com');>> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli <joelja@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','joelja@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Typically experiments involving the production network run past the
>> network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair.
>>
>
> Joel,
>
> Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval of
> this "experiment". Jari has approved it.
>
> The device will sit in the NOC where we can easily disable it if there's
> an issue.
>
>
>> I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but if
>> you haven't, I'd suggest doing that.
>>
>
>  Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and trying to get the
> network working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do that asap.
>
> Chris.
>
>
>> thanks
>> joel
>>
>> On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote:
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF
>> > wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over
>> > the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of
>> > IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on
>> > another large wireless campus network with interesting results and
>> > will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second
>> > data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics
>> > which will not reveal data about individual users of the network
>> > and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we
>> > collected. More information on the experiment can be found here:
>> >
>> > http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.
>> html
>> <http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.html>
>> >
>> >  If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an
>> > Email.
>> >
>> > See you in Prague,
>> >
>> > Rolf
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________ 93attendees mailing
>> > list 93attendees@ietf.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','93attendees@ietf.org');>
>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2
>> Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org
>>
>> iEYEARECAAYFAlWlJxkACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrI/oQCfaRz2CkLU/XcADm4k+oB8RbPU
>> CmMAmgMCFKiXqwrTnjARGga1KHv08T9S
>> =2x3d
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 93attendees mailing list
>> 93attendees@ietf.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','93attendees@ietf.org');>
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Elliott
> chelliot@pobox.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chelliot@pobox.com');>
>
> "What the f*ck is a sesame? It's a street...it's a way to open sh*t!"
> --Mitch Hedberg
>
> _______________________________________________
> 93attendees mailing list
> 93attendees@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','93attendees@ietf.org');>
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
>
>

-- 
Chris Elliott
CCIE # 2013

“You and I are mirages that perceive themselves”
--Douglas Hofstadter