Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting

[Chris Elliott <[e-mail]>]

On Tuesday, July 14, 2015, Ray Pelletier <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Chris
> I asked Jim and Joel this but no response as yet. Maybe you have an
> opinion
>
> This appears to be a benign experiment, but would it impact operations, or
> in your opinion, intrude on privacy?
>

I do not expect it to impact operations, and, as the device collecting data
will be in the NOC, we can easily disable it should there be any concerns.

Both Jari and I have discussed privacy concerns with Rolf and, at the level
of information I have, I believe Rolf will be protecting our attendees
privacy.

That said, I'm not a security guy and a full analysis of the security
implications would probably need to be done by a security guru.

However, note, with or without our permission, any attendee can collect the
same information Rolf is collecting.

Chris.


> Ray
>
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Chris Elliott <[e-mail]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[e-mail]');>> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:13 AM, joel jaeggli <[e-mail]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[e-mail]');>> wrote:
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>> Typically experiments involving the production network run past the
>> network staff and the IAD/IAOC or IETF chair.
>>
>
> Joel,
>
> Rolf contacted me a while ago and I had him contact Jari for approval of
> this "experiment". Jari has approved it.
>
> The device will sit in the NOC where we can easily disable it if there's
> an issue.
>
>
>> I haven't seen this float by so I don't know if it has or not but if
>> you haven't, I'd suggest doing that.
>>
>
>  Rolf's done his job. I got distracted by traveling and trying to get the
> network working to forward this to the NOC list. I'll do that asap.
>
> Chris.
>
>
>> thanks
>> joel
>>
>> On 7/13/15 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote:
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF
>> > wireless network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over
>> > the network with the goal of analyzing current applications' use of
>> > IP broadcasts. We have conducted this experiment previously on
>> > another large wireless campus network with interesting results and
>> > will repeat the experiment on the IETF wireless network as a second
>> > data point. We collect the data and aggregate it to statistics
>> > which will not reveal data about individual users of the network
>> > and once that is done, we will delete all packet traces we
>> > collected. More information on the experiment can be found here:
>> >
>> > http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.
>> html
>> <http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.html>
>> >
>> >  If you have questions regarding the experiment, please drop me an
>> > Email.
>> >
>> > See you in Prague,
>> >
>> > Rolf
>> >
>> >
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