Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy
Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr> Fri, 24 July 2015 11:10 UTC
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From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr>
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:37:31AM +0000, Rodriguez, Iben <Iben.Rodriguez@spirent.com> wrote a message of 212 lines which said: > I’ve had to deal with this as a parent of teen age daughters who are > experiencing this type of reverse discrimination based on the way > they dress at school. If a teacher were to tell them their clothing > style is distracting to the boys in the class we have a talk with > that teacher there, and the boys. I agree, but: > Let’s not pass judgement on someone’s role or respectful dress > situation these days. It goes both ways. In this specific case (the "booth babes" during the Bits'n'Bytes event), the women were not exercising their freedom to dress as they want, they were on duty and had an uniform chosen by their employer. So, I agree with your arguments but they don't apply here. > Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for > these events? I hope not. Most of these "codes of conduct" and other written policies are lame, anyway, such as <http://ietf.org/iesg/statement/ietf-anti-harassment-policy.html> which says "Those who participate in the IETF are expected to behave according to professional standards" as if amateurs were allowed to harass at will. But, here, it was not IETF participants deciding to dress in strange and unusual (and objectionable for some people) ways, it was a company deciding to hire professional booth babes, which is quite different.
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Rodriguez, Iben
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Lisa Lorenzin
- [93attendees] Name tags (was: IETF dress code pol… Lou Berger
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Stephen Farrell
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Michael StJohns
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Pat (Patricia) Thaler
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Warren Kumari
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Richard Scheffenegger
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Luis Balbinot
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Dave Taht
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Randy Bush
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Alexandre PETRESCU
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Warren Kumari
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Warren Kumari
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Ted Lemon
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Ted Lemon
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Василий Долматов
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Randall Gellens
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Michal Krsek
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Randy Bush
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Jane Coffin
- [93attendees] Thank you! (Was Re: IETF dress code… Lou Berger
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Niels ten Oever
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy John Scudder
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Leif Johansson
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Paul Wouters
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Samuel Weiler
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Ted Lemon
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Leif Johansson
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Daniel Harkins
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Jeff Haas
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Niels ten Oever
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Randall Gellens
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Randall Gellens