Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting

Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> Wed, 15 July 2015 13:58 UTC

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:58:04 -0700
From: Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting
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The IETF is idemnifying everything participants say already via the note well,
i don't understand why they wouldn't want to do it for the use of the IETF network.

Network note well:
  IETF will observe all traffic on the IETF network. Whatever you send/receive 
  on that network is not your traffic but owned by IETF. IETF will do its best
  to get as much research and commercial value out of you using the IETF network
  as IETF sees fit.

I just hate captive portals, otherwise i'd recommend for the IETF net to have
one with the above disclaimer before one can connect.


On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 06:39:42AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 7/15/2015 5:15 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
> > By having a device set to join the IETF network it seems
> > that opting-in to share your data has occured.
> 
> 
> That's a reasonable view.  The problem is that so are other, competing
> views.
> 
> If the world were subject to your preferences, your view would hold
> sway.  However in this world, some of those competing views are likely
> to have professional and/or legal force.
> 
> 
> d/
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> Dave Crocker
> Brandenburg InternetWorking
> bbiw.net
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