Re: [93attendees] _No_ network experiment during the meeting

The legal issue is that EC legislation exists to ensure that at least some ethical considerations are met.

Yes, one aspect of that is that consent to collect the data exists where consent is appropriate, but that is not the only issue raised. There are other aspects such as ensuring that only the appropriate information is collected (rather than collect everything), how and if the information is retained, and controls on who else the information can be passed to.

None of the discussion on this list has identified that any of those considerations were addressed before the announcement was made.

The analogy I would draw with the current process is that someone proposes launching a new drug, and a couple of doctors look at a one paragraph summary and say that should not be a problem!

Experiments should certainly be done, but the homework should be done first.

Keith

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> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On 
> Behalf Of Dave Crocker
> Sent: 21 July 2015 08:23
> To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor; 93attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [93attendees] _No_ network experiment during the meeting
> 
> On 7/20/2015 3:27 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> > If we can't bring ourselves to experiment on ourselves to gain 
> > knowledge about what the relevant needs and risks are, we'll hamper 
> > our ability to improve the privacy situation for everyone.
> 
> 
> I do not recall seeing anyone claim that the proposed 
> experiment should not be done.  I know that that was not the 
> issue when I first raised the legal/ethical process concerns.
> 
> Rather, the primary issue is informed consent of those who 
> would be the subjects of the research.
> 
> d/
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