Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting

Rolf Winter <rolf.winter@hs-augsburg.de> Tue, 14 July 2015 07:29 UTC

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Hi Dave,

I am not sure I fully understand your question. You surely have noted 
that hs-augsburg.de != augsburg.edu so I assume you refer to the more 
general question of experimenting with human subjects. In my mind 
typically things like clinical tests fall under this. We will look 
solely at broadcasts (and multicast for that matter) sent out by 
devices. In essence data that devices send out to all other devices on a 
subnet. Clearly any IETF participant can conduct this experiment... well 
anybody on the IETF wireless can. We do not actively attempt to trigger 
broadcast/multicast communication, we merely listen to what the devices 
send out to everyoneon their own. But I am not sure I have answered your 
question. If not, could you be more specific?

Best,

Rolf

Am 7/13/15 um 10:30 PM schrieb Dave Crocker:
> On 7/13/2015 1:13 PM, Rolf Winter wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> during the meeting we plan to conduct an experiment on the IETF wireless
>> network. We will record the broadcast traffic sent over the network with
>> the goal of analyzing current applications' use of IP broadcasts.
> ...
>> http://net.hs-augsburg.de/projects/2015/07/09/ietf-broadcast-analysis.html
>
> Hmmm.  Assurances on that web page notwithstanding doesn't this fall
> under human subjects rules for experiments and/or rules of privacy
> protection?  For example:
>
>       http://inside.augsburg.edu/irb/
>
> If not, why not?  If so, how have the relevant requirements been satisfied?
>
> Thanks.
>
> d/