Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy
Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org> Sat, 25 July 2015 09:48 UTC
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 07/25/2015 11:24 AM, Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote: > On 25/07/15 10:13, Michal Krsek wrote: >> So on my perspective - we need to thank CZ.NIC for supporting >> IETF and community of Internet engineers (providing free software >> and other projects) and we should help the event management to >> make Bits-and-bites form widely acceptable. > +1 and very well said. > > I did/do not want to react to this discussion at all. So this is > the only posting I will do about it > > I am very surprised about all the fuss that this generated. Comon, > these comments on this list are just blowing up the whole thing. I > had not even seen these ladies, but when I saw the picture on > facebook, I think they were dressed nicely. One may wonder indeed > if we need that at bits and bytes, but it is noit word the fuss > that this has generated. > > A lot of what people are writing here might be just in the eye of > the beholder, no? > I strongly disagree with the points made by Bert and Vasily. That something is not a problem for you personally, doesn't mean there is no problem at all. If we want the IETF to be a more enabling and welcoming environment for a more diverse audience (which is much needed imho) this needs to be addressed, and these discussions need to be had. I think there should be no place for misogyny at the IETF, and the phenomenon of booth babes is definitely a form of misogyny. Best, Niels - -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVs1uAAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpDEUH/AyB+mkuqN3scbd1wjyk+M4n 4gd5H9Bqcp2OmCYEi2bUlQvaXNybNQAwLsCJOhRxw3R9Ae2AzbchBtPf/BMTyt2J HWy2hl+KQi3moFf98OJztI9vjKoc1k1w9M8HD5KRskKf7L3inWBZ8SfRMeypxi81 //UHn76xtSXMgRCb+0SQU2KjXHG9D/5c80/jxdbeJn0ckvJZ7m49IXmXN3FVA5lo JLDsCc9uauIWn/H6xJuRBAAjlchQHwU25l+jiFd6h3fvhNHEI3uMv8XMo1Mq8AAC 1/iEXmN3fhnL+InTOSSKXxR2eICLQOtSRcB5nE33JxlR0NHK3pNIkk1y0kGzn1Q= =FZVF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Pat (Patricia) Thaler
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Robert Moskowitz
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- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Василий Долматов
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Randall Gellens
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Michal Krsek
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Randy Bush
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Jane Coffin
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- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Niels ten Oever
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy John Scudder
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Leif Johansson
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Paul Wouters
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Samuel Weiler
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Ted Lemon
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Leif Johansson
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Daniel Harkins
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Jeff Haas
- Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy Niels ten Oever
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