Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy

I reckon that it'll be better if the IAOC just find and copy some
good policy that will prevent a recurrance of this. I know there are
some trade shows that have introduced such policies so I'd hope
we don't have to figure this out ourselves via a protracted list
discussion of possibilities.

S.

On 24/07/15 11:47, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> My impression was that we were discussing setting an IETF policy to prohibit booth babes / scantily dressed women at vendor tables who are present strictly as sexualized objects.  That's a far cry from a dress code for attendees.
> 
> Personally, if a lead developer / engineer at a Bits & Bytes demo was wearing heels, the only reason I would care would be to ask her (or him) what brand they are - heels comfortable enough to wear for a standup job like booth duty are few & far between! :)
> 
> Regards,
> Lisa
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 93attendees [mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rodriguez, Iben
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:38 PM
> To: Ondrej Filip; 93attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [93attendees] IETF dress code policy
> 
> Of course there are 2 sides to every story.  I’ve had to deal with this as a parent of teen age daughters who are experiencing this type of reverse discrimination based on the way they dress at school.  If a teacher were to tell them their clothing style is distracting to the boys in the class we have a talk with that teacher there, and the boys.  Unfortunately the girls need to deal with this too but the world is changing. 
> 
> I came to the conference for the first time with a suit coat and jacket ready to dress up as if for a business meeting. When I checked in I see everyone in t-shirts and shorts. This is great!  
> 
> Let’s not pass judgement on someone’s role or respectful dress situation these days. It goes both ways.
> 
> Our efforts should be on improving the rights for those that are truly oppressed by their cultural situation.
> 
> Are we seriously thinking of instituting a dress code policy for these events? How would it read?  Let’s not go down this road.
> 
> 
> On 7/24/15, 11:35 AM, "93attendees on behalf of Ondrej Filip" <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:93attendees-bounces@ietf.org>  on behalf of ondrej.filip@nic.cz <mailto:ondrej.filip@nic.cz> > wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the company I take the full responsibility.
> 
> Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees.
> But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they know our company very well.
> 
> Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of sensitivity. I am very sorry.
> 
> Ondrej Filip
> 
> 
> 
> On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote:
> 
> 	Hi all,
> 	In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
> 	I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it (IMHO).
> 	Best regards,
> 	Jose
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