Re: [93attendees] Hilton Guest Room Internet Update

"John G. Scudder" <jgs@juniper.net> Thu, 23 July 2015 13:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [93attendees] Hilton Guest Room Internet Update
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Actual coordination, if practically achievable, seems like a great idea, but I'm skeptical. Short of that, if your AP allows you to set Tx power level, it would seem friendly to set it as low as possible to avoid degrading the noise floor any more than absolutely necessary.

--John

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Olaf Kolkman <kolkman@isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> Overall, we’ve seen the ietf-hotel work reasonably well in the restaurant, lobby and hallways, but poorly (but slowly improving) in the guestrooms. We continue to work on this, but using the wired connection in your room is probably your best bet.
> Some of us bring our own APs to connect to the wire for this sort of situation. (I bought a box which turned out to be a wireless extender sigh, for which OpenWRT came in handy).
> 
> Are there any recommendations that you could share with respect to naming of those networks (so that neighboring rooms can share that AP) and e.g. channel choice? I mean would naming such network IETF-hotel and keeping it open interfere with anything you try to do?
> 
> I would assume:
> * Use IETF-hotel as that would give the neighbors a seamless experience,
> * Use a scanning app to select a channel with relatively low other signal.
> 
> More?
> 
> —Olaf
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