Re: [abnf-discuss] [hackathon] Virtual formal languages meeting

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Mon, 27 April 2020 17:30 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:30:09 -0700
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To: Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com>
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Subject: Re: [abnf-discuss] [hackathon] Virtual formal languages meeting
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 9:26 AM Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> wrote:

> > OK — let’s go with Webex. I’ll circulate the details, along with the
> agenda, closer to the meeting.
>
> Then there's a good chance I won't be able to participate.
>
> My issues with Webex are practical rather than ethical. It seems that the
> latest version(*) doesn't handle permissions setup properly on some Mac OS
> X
> versions. I'll try (again) to fix it, but as I've mentioned elsehwere, my
> tolerance for crapware is very limited right now.
>

Are you using the browser version? With which browser? This *should* work,
but maybe it's easily fixed.



> (*) The latest version is an improvement in at least one respect: The
> previous
> one silently installed some kind of app to be run at login time. Not good.
>

This is regrettably common.

-Ekr


>
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Stephen
>
> > > On 27 Apr 2020, at 16:56, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > The reason for my short message is that I do NOT want to force my
> ethical considerations on anybody else.  If Zoom is convenient for you,
> please go ahead with that; I just won't be there.
> > >
> > > But since I have been asked twice, let me just mention that the
> majority of the IETF meetings still happen over Webex; not exactly a
> perfect service, but widely understood by IETF participants.  Sorry about
> your background images, if that is chosen.
> > >
> > > Grüße, Carsten
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 2020-04-27, at 17:50, Stephen McQuistin <
> Stephen.McQuistin@glasgow.ac.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Any in particular? Happy to switch.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Stephen
> > >>
> > >>> On 27 Apr 2020, at 16:47, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2020-04-27, at 17:46, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Presumably that's a comment on their service.  Which alternative
> would you find acceptable?
> > >>>
> > >>> Any ethical one.
> > >>>
> > >>> Grüße, Carsten
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
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