Accounting 2 BOF minutes

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Minutes of the Accounting 2 BOF, Wed 30 Mar 94, Seatle IETF


Summary

Presentations by Cyndi Mills and Nevil Brownlee on work of old Accounting 
WG, and by Mike Kogur & Shoshanna Loeb (Bellcore) on AMADNS. Discussion of 
charter for new WG, to be continued on mailing list. 37 people attended. 
Goals for the group to include: Complete old WG goals (i.e. publish Accounting
Architecture and Meter Services MIB as RFCs as soon as possible), extend the
Accounting Model to handle accounting for applications as well as for lower
layers. 


Presentations

Accounting Model and Architecture: Cyndi Mills presented background on the 
generalized model as developed by the old Accounting WG. 

Accounting MIB: Nevil Brownlee reported on the current status of the MIB 
and user experiences with the implementation of the MIB on various 
platforms (e.g. DOS, SunOS, ...). The MIB has been in use since Oct 93. 

AMADNS: Mike Kogut and Shoshana Loeb presented the accounting data 
collecton and management systems for telco data with attention to the 
parallels between it and the working group's accounting model. They 
discussed hopw internet accounting data could be integrated into the AMA 
system for usage reporting and billing. 


Charter for the Accounting 2 Working Group

The meeting discussed goals for the new working group.  The first of 
these is to complete the old WG's goals, i.e. publish the Accounting 
Architecture and Meter Services MIB as RFCs as soon as possible.  New 
work should include:

 - Extending the Internet Accounting Model to handle Application and Session 
      information, Quality of Service parameters, Multicast traffic, ...
 - Integration with Access Control and Authorization, e.g. for network 
      access servers.  This will require passing subscriber IDs and usage 
      information between accounting domains.
 - File Format for Accounting Data Storage. This would facilitate data
      exchange between Accounting and Billing systems, e.g. telco systems.
      An alternative approach would be to produce a Requirements Document
      for Further Use of Accounting Data.
      

Clarification Requests

The RMON working group is interested in monitoring traffic flows between 
pairs of hosts, an activity which is already covered by the Meter Services 
MIB. The relationship between RMON and Accounting will need to be discussed. 

The Accounting group should not be defining an API for billing applications.
Producing an accounting file format or a requirements document are better 
alternatives. 


Conclusions

37 people attended the BOF. Discussion was lively and demonstrated clear 
support for an Accounting 2 working group to complete the old Accounting 
group's goals, extend the Internet Accounting Model and consider other 
aspects of accounting and accountability. 

The group will continue to use the old accounting mailing list, 
[e-mail], and will develop its charter on the mailing 
list; to be complete by 1 Jun 94. 

					Nevil Brownlee / Cyndi Mills 

Minutes of the Accounting 2 BOF, Wed 30 Mar 94, Seatle IETF


Summary

Presentations by Cyndi Mills and Nevil Brownlee on work of old Accounting 
WG, and by Mike Kogur & Shoshanna Loeb (Bellcore) on AMADNS. Discussion of 
charter for new WG, to be continued on mailing list. 37 people attended. 
Goals for the group to include: Complete old WG goals (i.e. publish Accounting
Architecture and Meter Services MIB as RFCs as soon as possible), extend the
Accounting Model to handle accounting for applications as well as for lower
layers. 


Presentations

Accounting Model and Architecture: Cyndi Mills presented background on the 
generalized model as developed by the old Accounting WG. 

Accounting MIB: Nevil Brownlee reported on the current status of the MIB 
and user experiences with the implementation of the MIB on various 
platforms (e.g. DOS, SunOS, ...). The MIB has been in use since Oct 93. 

AMADNS: Mike Kogut and Shoshana Loeb presented the accounting data 
collecton and management systems for telco data with attention to the 
parallels between it and the working group's accounting model. They 
discussed hopw internet accounting data could be integrated into the AMA 
system for usage reporting and billing. 


Charter for the Accounting 2 Working Group

The meeting discussed goals for the new working group.  The first of 
these is to complete the old WG's goals, i.e. publish the Accounting 
Architecture and Meter Services MIB as RFCs as soon as possible.  New 
work should include:

 - Extending the Internet Accounting Model to handle Application and Session 
      information, Quality of Service parameters, Multicast traffic, ...
 - Integration with Access Control and Authorization, e.g. for network 
      access servers.  This will require passing subscriber IDs and usage 
      information between accounting domains.
 - File Format for Accounting Data Storage. This would facilitate data
      exchange between Accounting and Billing systems, e.g. telco systems.
      An alternative approach would be to produce a Requirements Document
      for Further Use of Accounting Data.
      

Clarification Requests

The RMON working group is interested in monitoring traffic flows between 
pairs of hosts, an activity which is already covered by the Meter Services 
MIB. The relationship between RMON and Accounting will need to be discussed. 

The Accounting group should not be defining an API for billing applications.
Producing an accounting file format or a requirements document are better 
alternatives. 


Conclusions

37 people attended the BOF. Discussion was lively and demonstrated clear 
support for an Accounting 2 working group to complete the old Accounting 
group's goals, extend the Internet Accounting Model and consider other 
aspects of accounting and accountability. 

The group will continue to use the old accounting mailing list, 
[e-mail], and will develop its charter on the mailing 
list; to be complete by 1 Jun 94. 

					Nevil Brownlee / Cyndi Mills