Re: [Ace] Stephen Farrell's Yes on draft-ietf-ace-usecases-09: (with COMMENT)

Ludwig Seitz <ludwig@sics.se> Fri, 23 October 2015 13:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ace] Stephen Farrell's Yes on draft-ietf-ace-usecases-09: (with COMMENT)
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On 2015-10-23 14:37, Kathleen Moriarty wrote:
> I just went through Stephen's comments again before approving the
> draft, and I do think his first comment should be added in since it is
> specific to authentication and authorization.  Is there a place this
> can fit in nicely?
>
>[....]
>
> Thank you,
> Kathleen
>
>
[...]
>> 1. Software update is really needed and often missing and
>> usually hard. There's at least a need to authenticate and
>> authorize new firmware, when there is any update. That may not
>> be the same as authorizing a new config.


Isn't this covered in section 2.4.1.3. ?

"At some point the facility management company wants to update the
firmware of lighting devices in order to eliminate software bugs.
Before accepting the new firmware, each device checks the
authorization of the facility management company to perform this
update."

There is simply not a specific authorization problem listed for this, I 
could argue that it is subsumed under U4.4 but if you think it deserves 
specific mention under the problems section I can live with adding a point.

/Ludwig


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