Re: [Ace] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-ace-dtls-authorize-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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Hi Roman,

Thank you for your detailed comments. We addressed most of your comments
in the latest version. Please find my comments inline.

On 3/23/21 4:32 AM, Roman Danyliw via Datatracker wrote:
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> (A simple editorial fix) Per Section 5.8.2 of [I-D.ietf-ace-oauth-authz], the
> name of the parameter in the C-to-AS communication is “ace_profile” (not
> “profile”).  The “ace_profile” parameter is mistakenly referenced as “profile”
> in the following places:
> -- Section 3.2.1:
>    The response MAY contain a "profile" parameter with the value
>    "coap_dtls" to indicate that this profile MUST be used for
>    communication between the client and the resource server.
> -- Section 3.3.1:
>    If the
>    profile parameter is present, it is set to "coap_dtls".

Yes, you are correct. The name of the parameter changed in
ace-oauth-authz-25 and this occurrence must have slipped through.

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Thank you to Russ Mundy for the SECDIR review, and thank you to the authors for
> responding to it.
> ** Does this profile only cover part of the oauth-authz framework?  Section 3.3
> explicitly says “the use of introspection is out of scope for this
> specification.”  It might be helpful to note in the introduction that this
> profile only covers C-to-AS and C-to-RS communication.

We added to the introduction that introspection is out of scope for this

> ** Section 3.2.1 Figure 3, uses the “req_aud” parameter, but this was renamed
> to “audience” in -20 of draft-ietf-ace-oauth-authz

Yes, fixed.

> ** Section 3.2.1.  Per ‘The response MAY contain a "profile" parameter with the
> value "coap_dtls" to indicate that this profile MUST be used for communication
> between the client and the resource server’, this is true (see the DISCUSS
> above though).  However, it might be worthwhile to point out that per Section
> 5.8.2 of draft-ietf-ace-oauth-authz-38, this “MAY” is actually a MUST if the
> request has an empty “ace_profile” parameter.

Okay, fixed.

> ** Section 3.2.2.  Per “This specification therefore mandates implementation
> support for curve25519 ...”, perhaps RFC2119 language should be used here

Okay, changed to MUST.

> ** Section 3.3.1.  Per all of the text after “The method for how the resource
> server determines the symmetric key from an access token containing only a key
> identifier is application-specific; the remainder of this section provides one
> example”, consider removing all of the RFC2119 language is this text as its an
> example.

The Gen-ART review from Paul Kyzivat of 19 Jul 2020 suggested to include
the normative language to avoid ending up with unclear specifications.
(The normative language has been added in

> ** Section 3.3.2.  Per “When the resource server receives an access token, it
> MUST check if the access token is still valid ...”, a reference to Section
> of [I-D.ietf-ace-oauth-authz] for additional verification procedures
> might be helpful

Okay, done.

> ** Section 3.2.2. and 7:
> (a) Section 3.2.2.
>    To be consistent with [RFC7252] which allows for shortened MAC tags
>    in constrained environments, an implementation that supports the RPK
>    mode of this profile MUST at least support the ciphersuite
> (b) As this specification aims at constrained devices and
>    uses CoAP [RFC7252] as transfer protocol, at least the ciphersuite
>    TLS_PSK_WITH_AES_128_CCM_8 [RFC6655] should be supported
> The text in (b) is weaker on the mandatory required of the ciphersuite.  In
> (b), likely s/should be supported/must be supported/.

Okay, changed b to MUST support.

> ** Section 7.  Per “For longer-lived access tokens, DHE ciphersuites should be
> used”, perhaps add a parenthetical at the end of this sentence of “(i.e.,
> ciphersuites of the form TLS_DHE_PSK_*)”.

Fixed as suggested.

> ** Section 7.1.  Session resumption is noted to be NOT RECOMMENDED.  Is there a
> reason this can’t be stronger (MUST NOT)?

Session resumption can be very useful for very constrained clients. We
therefore changed it as follows:


   Therefore, the use of session resumption is NOT RECOMMENDED for
   resource servers.


   Therefore, session resumption should be used only in combination with
   reasonably short-lived PoP keys.

> ** Section 7.2.  No issues with the guidance here.  Is there anything DTLS
> specific that suggests that developers "SHOULD" avoid multiple access tokens
> per client?  That guidance isn’t in the core framework.  I made the comment on
> the core framework that perhaps this text should be there (too?).

We moved the respective paragraph to the framework document.

> ** Please reviews all of the reference numbers to [I-D.ietf-ace-oauth-authz] as
> a number of them seem to be incorrect (likely due to renumbering).  For example:

Okay, checked and fixed.

> -- Section 2.  Per “the client MUST upload the access token to the authz-info
> resource, i.e. the authz-info endpoint, on the resource server before starting
> the DTLS handshake, as described in Section 5.8.1 of   
> [I-D.ietf-ace-oauth-authz]”, Section 5.8.1 is not the right reference.  It’s
> likely 5.10.1.
> -- Section 3.4.  Per “The authorization server may, e.g., specify a "cti"
> claim for the access token (see Section 5.8.3 of [I-D.ietf-ace-oauth-authz]) to
> employ a strict order”, Section 5.8.3 is the wrong section in
> [I-D.ietf-ace-oauth-authz].
> -- Section 3.4.  Per “The response SHOULD include AS Request Creation Hints as
> described in Section 5.1.1 of [I-D.ietf-ace-oauth-authz].”, there is no Section
> 5.1.1. The appropriate section is either 5.2 to reference this behavior or 5.3
> for the details of the hints.
> -- Section 3.4. Per “Incoming CoAP requests received on a secure DTLS channel
> that are not thus authorized MUST be rejected according to Section 5.8.2 of
> [I-D.ietf-ace-oauth-authz]”, Section 5.8.2 is not the right reference here.
> ** idnits returned the following:
>   == Unused Reference: 'RFC8152' is defined on line 1148, but no explicit
>      reference was found in the text

Fixed (added reference in the draft)

>   == Unused Reference: 'RFC8613' is defined on line 1212, but no explicit
>      reference was found in the text

Fixed (removed)

> ** Nits
> -- Section 7.1.  Typo. s/renogiation/renegotiation/


Thank you for your time,