Re: [Ace] Call for adoption draft-msahni-ace-cmpv2-coap-transport

Daniel Migault <mglt.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 25 January 2021 15:15 UTC

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From: Daniel Migault <mglt.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 10:15:21 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Ace] Call for adoption draft-msahni-ace-cmpv2-coap-transport
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Hi,

This email closes the call for adoption - pending the charter. The document
will be adopted as a WG document *when* the charter is approved with this
piece of work as part of the charter.

When the charter is approved - and not before - I expect the co-author to
update their document as a WG document using draft-ietf-* without changing
the text. I hope the charter will be approved by the next interim meeting
[2] in which case, I expect the draft to be presented/updated.

My interpretation of the call is that we do have a light consensus for
adoption. The main concern for not adopting the work was that the WG may
spend too many cycles on the document.  I tend to agree that the draft
should be moved forward in a fast way and believe it could be sent to the
IESG by June as stated in the milestones [1].

The WG lamps should probably get informed of what we are doing at least for
the WGLC.


Yours,
Daniel

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ace/about/
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming


On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 8:16 AM Daniel Migault <mglt.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just to remind you the call for adoption ends today.
>
> Yours,
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:01 PM Mohit Sahni <mohit06jan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Daniel and Hendrik, Since it has been a some time when we
>> discussed about this draft, here is a summary of discussions that we
>> had on this draft regarding the adoption:
>>
>> Brockhaus, Hendrik:
>> >Thanks to Mohit for his request on rechartering and adoption. I support
>> this.
>>
>> Panos Kampanakis:
>> > I oppose adoption unless there is a compelling reason why. Also I am
>> not sure where this draft would be implemented and used. If this is just
>> for one or two vendors I don’t think ACE needs to spend the cycles.
>>
>> Brockhaus, Hendrik:
>> >I think we have to accept that there are different protocols with
>> different abilities chosen in different verticals.
>>
>> Michael Richardson:
>> > I have no fundamental objection to this work, and I think that it
>> should be adopted.
>> >But, I think that it is worth doing more than just s/http/coap/.
>> Plus some suggestions on the draft.
>>
>> Mohit Sahni:
>> > Some of your suggestions should be discussed in the context of the
>> LightWeight CMP profile draft
>> > I will work on making it more clear what are the pros and cons of using
>> a proxy vs direct communication
>> > I will add the endpoint definitions and make resource discovery more
>> clear in the draft.
>> > This draft only defines how to use the CoAP transport for carrying the
>> CMP messages. When and what CMP messages are sent should come under the CMP
>> protocol implementation itself
>>
>> Olaf Bergmann:
>> > One thing that might get in our way when doing this in ACE is the
>> emerging input for draft-ietf-lamps-lightweight-cmp-profile. But otherwise,
>> I do not see a strong reason for not adopting
>> draft-msahni-ace-cmpv2-coap-transport.
>>
>> Brockhaus, Hendrik:
>> > Actually this was first discussed in LAMPS, but as the draft focusses
>> on CoAP transport and not on CMP specifics, the group had the opinion that
>> ACE is the better home as here is the knowledge regarding CoAP.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mohit
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:14 PM Brockhaus, Hendrik
>> <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Daniel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for kicking the ball.
>> >
>> > I would appreciate the adoption of Mohits draft and I am also willing
>> to review it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There are also implementation demonstrating CMP message transport on
>> CoAP next to HTTP.
>> >
>> > https://github.com/siemens/embeddedCMP
>> >
>> > https://github.com/siemens/LightweightCmpRa
>> >
>> > Any feedback is welcome!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hendrik
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Von: Ace <ace-bounces@ietf.org> Im Auftrag von Daniel Migault
>> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2021 20:28
>> > An: Ace Wg <ace@ietf.org>
>> > Betreff: [Ace] Call for adoption draft-msahni-ace-cmpv2-coap-transport
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The charter approval by the IESG has been a bit delayed and is expected
>> to be approved in the coming weeks. In the meanwhile, this email starts a
>> call for adoption on work that has been included in the charter. Of course,
>> adoption is contingent on the rechartering succeeding.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The document called for adoption is
>> draft-msahni-ace-cmpv2-coap-transport available here:
>> >
>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-msahni-ace-cmpv2-coap-transport-01
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please state your opinion on whether this work should not or should be
>> adopted by the WG and express your motivation for such a statement. The
>> call for adoption closes on January 21.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yours,
>> >
>> > Daniel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Daniel Migault
>> >
>> > Ericsson
>>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Migault
> Ericsson
>


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