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To break the ice, what is the contention about? Sadly I missed the F2F meet=
ing 124 and I didn=92t see any traffic on the mailing list.

Kindly,


Sven Rajala

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M: +1 540 687 0761

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From: Mike Ounsworth via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>
Date: Wednesday, 2026 January 7 at 16:13
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