Re: [Acme] ARI: Indication if certificate will be revoked

Andrew Ayer <agwa@andrewayer.name> Wed, 22 March 2023 20:31 UTC

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From: Andrew Ayer <agwa@andrewayer.name>
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Subject: Re: [Acme] ARI: Indication if certificate will be revoked
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 12:46:46 -0400
Amir Omidi <aaomidi=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> My concern with this is that it creates a bit of a requirement to
> revoke by/on that time, which doesn't seem to be the intent of ARI I
> think?
>
> Also what should the precision of this time field be? day/hour/etc?

The same as the suggestedWindow's end time - i.e. seconds.

This is not intended to introduce new requirements on either ACME
clients or CAs; just to convey whether revocation is imminent after the
suggestedWindow has passed, or whether the certificate will still be
usable until its expiration.  A simple boolean would also suffice.
This information will probably exist in human-readable form at
the explanationURL, and I'm just proposing to make it available in
machine-readable form too so monitors can access it.

Regards,
Andrew