Re: [Acme] Considerations about ACME BoF

Yaron Sheffer <> Tue, 31 March 2015 03:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Acme] Considerations about ACME BoF
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>>> *Overstepping the Technical Boundaries.* As it was pointed out during
>>> the BoF, the proposed initiative does not address any technical issue,
>>> but, instead, is pushing a specific BUSINESS model. I found very
>>> inappropriate the examples of "I could not get my certificates in 45
>>> minutes.." as this is a NON argument.
>> With all due respect to Cullen, I agree:-) I think it's used as a
>> humorous anecdote basically and I've seen that done in quite a few
>> contexts in the IETF. But that one non-argument was raised is not
>> a procedural issue for me.
> I agree with Max that this should be a non-argument, and happy to hear
> that you agree Stephen

For me ACME is purely about usability, so Cullen's anecdote is actually 
the only thing that matters. As a user, I want to be able to get a 
server certificate for a cloud server within seconds, and with no manual 
intervention. And if that breaks someone's business model, so be it.

And by the way, ACME with *email* certs could make S/MIME viable again, 
for those of us still using mail clients.