Re: [Acme] case in point of usability

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Wed, 01 April 2015 16:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Acme] case in point of usability
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Stephen Farrell
<stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> Turns out after a bit of searching, I'd installed the new
> cert too soon, and when I tested it, a "dunno" OCSP
> response was sent before the responder had seen the new
> cert and that OCSP response has now been cached for some
> unknowable (to me) number of hours in who-knows-what
> places. And that caching behaviour has changed since the
> last time I got a cert from the same provider a few months
> ago. So I reverted my apache to the old cert and will
> try install the new cert again tomorrow.

So the problem is caching of "unknown" status OCSP Responses.

I think this is a separate and separable problem, though one that ACME
should work on anyways.

Nico
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