Re: [Acme] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-yusef-acme-3rd-party-device-attestation-01.txt

I would add that if this is just another token type, it might not be
necessary to keep the WG open for it.  Good exercise for the secdispatch
process.

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 12:49 Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.ietf@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Richard,
>
> The redirection is not critical part, and your explanation makes sense.
> I looked at the "authority token" documents a while ago; I will take a
> look again to see if I can align this document with that framework.
>
> Regards,
>  Rifaat
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 1:51 AM Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:
>
>> It seems like the core of this draft is identifier delegation.  Namely,
>> the CA recognizes the DA as an authority for a certain identifier space
>> (e.g., the first few octets of a MAC address), and the JWT delegates
>> permission to issue certificates for some identifier in that space to the
>> Client.
>>
>> Given that, it seems to me like this could fit under the rubric of the
>> "authority token" challenge.  If you were to do what this draft wants to do
>> with that framework, the Client would have two separate interactions -- an
>> OAuth interaction with the DA to get a token, then an ACME interaction with
>> the CA to issue the certificate.  The only specification needed would be to
>> specify the identifier and token type, as has been done for TNAuthList [2].
>>
>> The only thing that would then be missing with regard to this draft is
>> that the CA wouldn't provide the redirect to the DA.  Whether that makes
>> sense depends on the use case, but I suspect that in most cases it does
>> not.  The design in the draft presumes there's a single DA per identifier,
>> and that the CA keeps a mapping table from possible identifiers to DAs.
>> That seems unlikely for most identifier spaces and most CAs with reasonably
>> broad coverage.  So losing this property of the draft doesn't seem like a
>> big issue.
>>
>> So net/net, I think this draft should be restructured along the lines of
>> [2], to just define a token type and maybe an identifier type.
>>
>> --Richard
>>
>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-acme-authority-token
>> [2]
>> https://tools.ietf.org/wg/acme/draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-tnauthlist/
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 12:33 PM Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <
>> rifaat.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I have just submitted new updated version to address the issues raised
>>> by Ilari and Ryan.
>>> I would appreciate any more reviews and comments.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>  Rifaat
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
>>> Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:28 PM
>>> Subject: New Version Notification for
>>> draft-yusef-acme-3rd-party-device-attestation-01.txt
>>> To: Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.ietf@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A new version of I-D,
>>> draft-yusef-acme-3rd-party-device-attestation-01.txt
>>> has been successfully submitted by Rifaat Shekh-Yusef and posted to the
>>> IETF repository.
>>>
>>> Name:           draft-yusef-acme-3rd-party-device-attestation
>>> Revision:       01
>>> Title:          Third-Party Device Attestation for ACME
>>> Document date:  2019-01-16
>>> Group:          Individual Submission
>>> Pages:          9
>>> URL:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yusef-acme-3rd-party-device-attestation-01.txt
>>> Status:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yusef-acme-3rd-party-device-attestation/
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>>> Diff:
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>>>
>>> Abstract:
>>>    This document defines a Third-Party Device Attestation for ACME
>>>    mechanism to allow the ACME CA to delegate some of its authentication
>>>    and authorization functions to a separate trusted entity, to automate
>>>    the issuance of certificates to devices.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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