Re: [Acme] draft-ietf-acme

Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> Wed, 12 August 2015 18:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Acme] draft-ietf-acme
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On Wed 2015-08-12 14:18:54 -0400, Tony Arcieri wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't see that as reason enough to block adoption.
>
> It represents a conceptual misuse of digital signatures, and seems to me
> like a very fundamental design flaw which is easily addressed. I'm confused
> why you don't want to address it before adopting the draft.

I think everyone agrees that Andrew's attack needs to be fixed and the
draft won't make it out of the WG without it being adequately addressed.

But we can fix it just as well in draft -01 as in draft -00.  And
keeping -00 close to the non-WG draft is useful just for making sense of
the way the document has evolved.

I think adopting it before fixing Andrew's attack is fine.  We all know
that this attack needs to be addressed.

     --dkg