Re: [Acme] Draft agenda timing

Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> Mon, 09 March 2015 05:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Acme] Draft agenda timing
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On 2015-03-09 04:08, Songhaibin (A) wrote:
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> Both ETSI NFV community and ONF SDN community are working on certificate management, and they also want automated certificate management to the VNF or logical/physical switches. I think although in draft-barnes-acme DV (domain validation) is the initial use case for ACME to address, NFV/SDN certificate management could be the next step. They need a different way to challenge the certificate requester.
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I guess one major difference is (or should be) that network devices are identified by a device certificate rather than a domain.
Such devices may also provide end-to-end security through attestation keys.

Anyway, there is another big use-case as well and that is providing mobile devices with credentials for authentication, payments etc.
This is my line of work.

Unfortunately I won't be at the IETF meeting.

Anders

> Best Regards!
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> -Haibin
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> *From:*Acme [mailto:acme-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Ted Hardie
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 07, 2015 5:34 AM
> *To:* acme@ietf.org; Salz, Rich
> *Subject:* [Acme] Draft agenda timing
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> Rich and I are thinking of this as the breakdown of how we'd spend the hour we have; comments welcome.
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> ACME BOF
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> IETF 92
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> Time: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1520-1620​
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> ​Location: Venetian Room​
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> ​Administrivia: 5​
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> Motivating requirements: 10
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> ​Possible additional requirements from industry​: 10
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> Review of draft-barnes-acme: 15
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> Discussion: 20
>
> regards,
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> Ted and Rich
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