Re: [Add] fixing coffee shop brokenness with DoH
Bret Jordan <jordan.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 24 July 2019 11:42 UTC
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From: Bret Jordan <jordan.ietf@gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:42:01 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Add] fixing coffee shop brokenness with DoH
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My point is centralization of dns queries seems like a far larger potential problem. Especially when the query is over http and can easily allow extra headers so the end user can be fully tracked. Bret Sent from my Commodore 128D PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 > On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote: > > I can do that but the user base we represent at CDT cannot. So not an answer. > >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 07:33 Bret Jordan <jordan.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >> If you are really worried about it, run your own. I do, and have for 25+ years. >> >> Bret >> >> Sent from my Commodore 128D >> >> PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 22:26 Tommy Jensen <Jensen.Thomas=40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >>>> > Are people selling DNS logs to ad tech companies? Is that the ecosystem being disrupted? >>>> >>>> Given how many valid points have been brought up in the last few weeks about the drawbacks of centralized app-configured DNS, I don’t think the glib tone is constructive. >>> >>> Tone aside, to some users, centralization is a benefit in that they don't have a bunch of unknown privacy policies applying to the resolution of the names they need. For example, the privacy policy of 1.1.1.1 is pretty amazing from the perspective of data retention, secondary uses, etc. (e.g., I know my resolutions will be removed from their logs within 24 hours). >>> >>> This may seem small but it seems to be lost in the centralization/choice discussion. >>> -- >>> Joseph Lorenzo Hall >>> Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] >>> 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 >>> e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key >>> Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 > -- > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] > 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 > e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871
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