Re: [Add] ADD Calls for WF Adoption

Geoff Huston <gih903@gmail.com> Sun, 31 October 2021 19:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Add] ADD Calls for WF Adoption
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Hi Eric,

So here we are in a call as to whether documents should be discussed by the WG and we are doing just that. Seems to me that the adoption question is already answered.

No, I do not believe that WG adoption means that the document describes a good idea nor one that is going to lead to some published document(s). It means that a bunch of folk want to talk about it and discuss their various interpretations of the concepts exposed in the document(s). It may lead somewhere. Or it may be a set of terrible ideas and lead nowhere. And that’s fine. WG Adoption is not an endorsement of the concepts, nor should it ever be.

I support DISCUSSING these draft. I don’t necessarily agree with the draft, nor can I (or anyone else for that matter) claim that the WG “supports” these drafts until the WG discusses them. I don’t support peremptorily stopping discussion of these drafts by not adopting these document. It appears that they are in scope for the WG’s area of study, and I that’s a reasonable position to support adoption by the WG group.

regards,

   Geoff





> On 29 Oct 2021, at 3:11 pm, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Glenn,
> 
> Let me start by saying that I don't agree with a number
> of your assertions here, in particular about the requirements
> for adoption. While it's not *simply* a matter of numbers,
> having a reasonable level of support is in fact necessary
> for consensus.
> 
> However, before we debate those, let's start by getting to common
> facts. I believe Tommy wrote you with concerns about both drafts, but
> let's start with draft-boucadair-add-deployment-considerations.
> 
> I have provided you with a list of the people expressing each
> position. Your message lists Jim Reid and Diego Lopez.  I am unable to
> find a message indicating support for this draft from Diego though did
> find one from Jim Reid. However, in that search I also find a message
> somewhat opposing adoption from Martin Thomson (I belive he is opposed
> so I'm sure I can arrange for a more direct message if you like).
> 
> So, can you please provide links to the messages from people who
> are in support of this draft?
> 
> -Ekr
> 
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 8:57 AM Deen, Glenn <Glenn_Deen=40comcast.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> Hi ADD,
> 
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> 
> I wanted to bring to the ADD Group’s attention that 2 documents have entered into CALL for WG Adoption in the last couple of days:
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> 	• Draft-reddy-add-enterprise-split-dns   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-add-enterprise-split-dns/
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> 	• Draft-boucadair-add-deployment-considerations https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boucadair-add-deployment-considerations/
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> Both drafts are material that has had good discussion both on list and during past ADD meetings so please consult the archive and meeting minutes, especially IETF110 and IETF111 if you need additional background.
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> Both are in a 2 week call for adoption, with the first ending on Oct 26,2021 and the second on Oct 27,2021.
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> Please respond on list with comments on these calls.
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> Regards
> 
> Glenn
> 
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