Re: [Add] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-reddy-add-resolver-info-02.txt

tirumal reddy <kondtir@gmail.com> Mon, 12 April 2021 09:45 UTC

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From: tirumal reddy <kondtir@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 15:14:47 +0530
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Subject: Re: [Add] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-reddy-add-resolver-info-02.txt
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 20:55, Ben Schwartz <bemasc@google.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 5:40 AM tirumal reddy <kondtir@gmail.com> wrote:
> ..
>
>> For example, if the special use domain name "resolver.arpa" is used to
>> discover the Encrypted DNS server, the client can first query the resolver
>> for SVCB records for "dns://resolver.arpa" to get the fully-qualified
>> TargetName and then retrieve the resolver information using the RESINFO
>> RRtype, QNAME of the TargetName.
>>
>
> I don't think this is a good design.  It does not add security, and having
> multiple places to look for RESINFO records seems likely to add complexity
> and reduce interoperability.
>

The SVCB lookup is mandatory for SUDN ("resolver.arpa") to get the
designated resolver name (see
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-add-ddr-00#section-4). The client
can use the discovered designated resolver name to look for a RESINFO
record after the encrypted connection is established.

Please clarify what change you are proposing to the draft.


>
> The DNS resolver information can be retrieved after the encrypted
>> connection is established to the DNS server
>>
>
> This seems like a much better approach.
>
> Of course, if the resolver is known by name (resolver.example), then it
> can simply publish a RESINFO record on that name.
>

Yes.

-Tiru