Re: [Add] [Ext] Updated charter proposal for ADD

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sat, 18 January 2020 02:20 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:20:20 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Add] [Ext] Updated charter proposal for ADD
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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:28 AM Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote:

>
> This proposal rules out any solution that does not mandate the client
> (such as an operating system) having an up-to-date set of cryptographic
> trust anchors (such as the web PKI or other crypto initialization by
> vendors). It would hobble discovery in many of the common cases that have
> been discussed, such as my laptop in my home using my ISP's resolver. If
> that type of hobbling is what this group wants, go for it...
>

What is the improvement such a group would miss out on?

thanks,
Rob