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From: "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com>
To: Ben Schwartz <bemasc=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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On 4/1/21, 1:31 PM, "Add on behalf of Ben Schwartz" <add-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:add-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of bemasc=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:bemasc=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:



On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 3:51 PM Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:

Il 01/04/2021 19:44 Ben Schwartz <bemasc=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> ha scritto:

Defining a flag of this kind would amount to the IETF endorsing the practice of network operators demanding access to all of their users' DNS activity, i.e. browsing history.  That's out of scope for our working group.  It also violates RFC 8890, "The Internet is for End Users".
Why should this be against RFC 8890? In several countries, there are millions of users that actively opt into DNS-based parental controls and network security services that require them to share all their DNS activity with the operators providing them (either their ISP or a specialized company).

This flag is not relevant to the case of "user opt-in".  It is quite specifically a signal that the network prohibits the user from opting out.

If the network is going to prevent user opt-out it’s fully capable doing that regardless of the flag. However if it existed, this flag would permit the network to inform user to be aware of what is going on.

So the flag could actually be seen as helping RFC 8890 as it provides information that the user can use in making their choice to use to use the particular network.

-glenn

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