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Re: [Add] New Version Notification for draft-reddy-add-enterprise-split-dns-01.txt

Ben Schwartz <bemasc@google.com> Thu, 01 April 2021 20:31 UTC

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2021 16:31:02 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Add] New Version Notification for draft-reddy-add-enterprise-split-dns-01.txt
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On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 3:51 PM Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=
40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

>
> Il 01/04/2021 19:44 Ben Schwartz <bemasc=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> ha
> scritto:
>
> Defining a flag of this kind would amount to the IETF endorsing the
> practice of network operators demanding access to all of their users' DNS
> activity, i.e. browsing history.  That's out of scope for our working
> group.  It also violates RFC 8890, "The Internet is for End Users".
>
> Why should this be against RFC 8890? In several countries, there are
> millions of users that actively opt into DNS-based parental controls and
> network security services that require them to share all their DNS activity
> with the operators providing them (either their ISP or a specialized
> company).
>

This flag is not relevant to the case of "user opt-in".  It is quite
specifically a signal that the network prohibits the user from opting out.


> These users indeed think that this is in their best interest; actually, in
> this case, it would be the disruption of these services that would violate
> RFC 8890.
>
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> Vittorio Bertola | Head of Policy & Innovation, Open-Xchange
> vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com
> Office @ Via Treviso 12, 10144 Torino, Italy
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