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Re: [Add] My principles for discovery

Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com> Wed, 25 March 2020 19:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Add] My principles for discovery
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On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:37 AM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:

>
> In short, I believe that any entity that you interact with should be able
> to present their views on what resolver you should use.  Client policy will
> then dictate which - if any - of those is used.  Authentication of the
> source of these opinions is likely a necessary input for the client policy
> decision.
>
>
I think this is a pretty strong summary and a useful contribution -
thanks!. I might add that their view may include the scope of their
recommendation. (e.g. I'm a general recursive, I'm for this split horizon,
I'm for this authoritative, etc...) and, if we were making mission
statements, emphasize that authentication is something they are implicitly
conveying during presentation (even if its the absence of authentication).



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