Re: [Add] point of deploying DoH in access network (Re: meeting hum: should the IETF take up this work?)

Alec Muffett <alec.muffett@gmail.com> Fri, 02 August 2019 11:38 UTC

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Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:37:48 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Add] point of deploying DoH in access network (Re: meeting hum: should the IETF take up this work?)
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 at 12:18, Robert Mortimer <robm=
40scramworks.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

>  Just on the javascript in browser making DNS queries, already been done
> to control a spam campaign.
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-spam-campaign-controlled-by-attackers-via-dns-txt-records/
>
> So the bad guys at least are already doing this. They could of course use
> other methods etc. etc.
>

For anyone else who hasn't been through the archives, this one has already
been discussed on this maillist:

    https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/add/6lkOu-0D6OWNfHwnsK7S1NkG6Oo

    https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/add/OoEVkT3IdLnTqhBuE777MKPAlRo

- alec

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