Re: [admin-discuss] Attempt to diagram the structure of the IETF

> On 22/02/2022, at 11:23 AM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, this is getting better and better.
> 
> IANA is not just a liaison relationship. It's actually a service provider to the IETF, but under organisational agreements rather than a contract held by the LLC.

Yes, that could be captured.

> Also, should it be inside a box labelled ICANN?

No as it’s the function not the company that needs recording.  The Secretariat and RPC are not inside a box labelled AMS.

Jay

> 
> Regards
>   Brian
> 
> On 22-Feb-22 10:07, Jay Daley wrote:
>> New version now posted, which addresses all of this (except the position of NomCom) and adds IANA.  Also includes some lines tweaks to improve readability.
>> Jay
>>> On 22/02/2022, at 9:17 AM, Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org <mailto:exec-director@ietf.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Signed PGP part
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22/02/2022, at 5:11 AM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com <mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jay,
>>>> 
>>>> Quite an undertaking!   No good deed shall go unpunished :-)
>>>> 
>>>> A few comments:
>>>> 
>>>> Looking at this, it would appear that ISOC is part of the IETF.   The ISOC community might be surprised to learn this.
>>> 
>>> The title includes "and inter-related organisations" partly to cover ISOC and partly because some people insist that "IETF" cannot be used as an umbrella term to include the IAB/IRTF while others insist that it has been used as such for many years.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Having the NOMCOM on top, might cause some to conclude it’s the main leadership body for all below it.
>>> 
>>> I put it at the top because of the appointment authority but I agree that this needs some form of adjustment, as Brian suggested, to explain how it is constructed.  If we were instead to have the IESG/IAB etc as 
> the top layer then the arrows would likely become unmanageable.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it would be good to distinguish between appointing volunteers, vs. hiring employees/contractors.   For example, the ISOC board hires (selects, contracts, pays) a CEO, vs. the IAB appointing the IRTF chair.
>>> 
>>> That is captured by the box style - thick lines for community appointed bodies and double lines for contracted roles.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> “owns” is used in different ways.   ISOC “owns” the IETF LLC is quite different from the IESG “owns” Working Groups.  I am not sure that “owns” is quite right for relationship between the IESG and Working Groups.  “Charters” might be better.
>>> 
>>> Agree and 'charters' is a better word.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Lastly, the use of black and white to distinguish different kinds of roles in the KEY is very subtle.  You might consider also using colors or shading.
>>> 
>>> I was trying to avoid colour because of the problems with that - I will look at shading.
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org <mailto:exec-director@ietf.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve had a go at diagramming the structure of the IETF and inter-related organisations to assist new staff and contractors:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Structure_-_February_2022.png <https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Structure_-_February_2022.png>
>>>>> 
>>>>> While the RSWG/RSAB are not officially approved, they are included.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any feedback most welcome.
>>>>> 
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> Jay
>>>>> 
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