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boundary="000000000000611a5d065802f579" Message-ID-Hash: YH2QWVL4CT7QM6Y237DNCJEVIADKUGFA X-Message-ID-Hash: YH2QWVL4CT7QM6Y237DNCJEVIADKUGFA X-MailFrom: greg@commoncrawl.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Nate Hake , ai-control@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6 Precedence: list Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5Bai-control=5D_Re=3A_Proposed_=22AI_System_Inference=22_and_=22A?= =?utf-8?q?I_User_Input=22_categories?= List-Id: AI Control Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000611a5d065802f579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... by both of those definitions, an AI model that examines the text of a webpage and produces a pornography score output is AI inference. And you are saying we should have a preference which says "I'm shooting myself in the foot, never show my webpages in a search engine result." On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 2:21=E2=80=AFPM Adam and Joanne Gallagher < inspiredtaste@gmail.com> wrote: > Apologies for the second email. Here is another definition from IBM: > https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/ai-inference > > "In machine learning, AI inference is the act of using a trained AI model > to make predictions on new data. Essentially, any instance of an artifici= al > intelligence model actually generating outputs or making decisions in a > real-world AI application constitutes AI inference. In simple terms, AI > inference entails a trained model applying the patterns it learned from i= ts > training data to infer the correct output for a given input." > > AI inference is generating the output. > > Adam > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 11:18=E2=80=AFAM Adam and Joanne Gallagher < > inspiredtaste@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Happy to hear your definition but this is the definition on the Google >> document: >> https://cloud.google.com/discover/what-is-ai-inference#how-does-ai-infer= ence-work >> >> "Think of it this way: if training is like teaching an AI a new skill, >> inference is that AI actually using the skill to do a job. It takes in n= ew >> data (like a photo or a piece of text) and produces an instant output, l= ike >> a prediction, generates a photo, or makes a decision. This is where AI >> delivers business value. For anyone building with AI, understanding how = to >> make inference fast, scalable, and cost-effective is the key to creating >> successful solutions." >> >> Adam >> >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 11:14=E2=80=AFAM Greg Lindahl >> wrote: >> >>> That's not what AI Inference means. >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 2:13=E2=80=AFPM Adam and Joanne Gallagher < >>> inspiredtaste@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> No, AI inference is producing AI recipes riddled with errors that use >>>> our brand name to compete against us in search in the form of AI Overv= iews >>>> and AI Mode outputs. I go into this in detail in my post I linked to. = Here >>>> is the link again: >>>> https://www.inspiredtaste.net/101454/ai-recipes-harming-trust/ >>>> >>>> To review the definition of AI inference that is discussed on this >>>> Google document: https://cloud.google.com/discover/what-is-ai-inferenc= e >>>> . AI inference is the computational process happening behind the >>>> scenes, and the AI Overview is the final text output of the inference >>>> process. When someone types a query into Google, the trained model tak= es >>>> the query and applies what it learned to generate a unique summary. Th= is >>>> execution phase of taking the prompt and producing an output is by >>>> definition AI inference. Bottom line, AI inference is doing the harm >>>> and we don't have preferences to stop this from happening. As a publis= her >>>> of information this is a major problem and the entire open web current= ly >>>> has this problem. >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 11:00=E2=80=AFAM Greg Lindahl >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > AI inference is what is proactively being used in search at global >>>>> scales which is causing grave harm to our business. >>>>> >>>>> Are you harmed by AI inference intending to suppress pornography in >>>>> search results? >>>>> >>>>> One great thing about the IETF process is that it brings together man= y >>>>> communities -- in this case, both publishers and search engine implem= enters. >>>>> >>>>> This particular topic has come up several times in the past. >>>>> >>>>> -- greg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 1:19=E2=80=AFPM Adam and Joanne Gallagher < >>>>> inspiredtaste@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I completely agree with Nate on this. AI inference is what is >>>>>> proactively being used in search at global scales which is causing g= rave >>>>>> harm to our business. We currently don't have any inference preferen= ces to >>>>>> stop it without removing ourselves from AI outputs entirely. With th= e lines >>>>>> between organic index search and AI search being blurred at alarming= rates >>>>>> this would be insane for us to do. It is essentially a hostage situa= tion >>>>>> right now. Here is a detailed post that describes how AI inference i= s >>>>>> misrepresenting our brand and competing against us with our content = at >>>>>> scales never before seen. It is wildly unsustainable. Article link: >>>>>> https://www.inspiredtaste.net/101454/ai-recipes-harming-trust/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Our business desperately needs preferences to stop this from >>>>>> happening as soon as possible. Putting aside the training on our con= tent >>>>>> that has already happened without our permission, inference is what = is >>>>>> causing (doing) harm to our business in the form of AI misinformatio= n. >>>>>> >>>>>> Publishers need to have much more control of inference. It should be >>>>>> a core mission of this working group to define inference preferences= and >>>>>> vocabulary. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Adam Gallagher >>>>>> Inspired Taste * - *Easy Recipes for >>>>>> Home Cooks >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ai-control mailing list -- ai-control@ietf.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ai-control-leave@ietf.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Adam and Joanne Gallagher >>>> Inspired Taste * - *Easy Recipes for >>>> Home Cooks >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Adam and Joanne Gallagher >> Inspired Taste * - *Easy Recipes for >> Home Cooks >> >> > > -- > Adam and Joanne Gallagher > Inspired Taste * - *Easy Recipes for Home > Cooks > > --000000000000611a5d065802f579 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
... by both of those definitions, an AI model that examine= s the text of a webpage and produces a pornography score output is AI infer= ence.

And you are saying we should have a preference whi= ch says "I'm shooting myself in the foot, never show my webpages i= n a search engine result."

On Sat, Aug 1, 2= 026 at 2:21=E2=80=AFPM Adam and Joanne Gallagher <inspiredtaste@gmail.com> wrote:
Apologies for = the second email. Here is another definition from IBM:=C2=A0https://www.ib= m.com/think/topics/ai-inference

"In machine learning, AI inference is the act of us= ing a trained AI model to make predictions on new data. Essentially, any in= stance of an artificial intelligence model actually generating outputs or m= aking decisions in a real-world AI application constitutes AI inference. In= simple terms, AI inference entails a trained model applying the patterns i= t learned from its training data to infer the correct output for a given in= put."

AI i= nference is generating the output.=C2=A0

Adam

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 11:18=E2=80=AFA= M Adam and Joanne Gallagher <inspiredtaste@gmail.com> wrote:
Happy to hear you= r definition but this is the definition on the Google document:=C2=A0https://cloud.google.com/discover/what-is-ai= -inference#how-does-ai-inference-work

"Think of= it this way: if training is like teaching an AI a new skill, inference is = that AI actually using the skill to do a job. It takes in new data (like a = photo or a piece of text) and produces an instant output, like a prediction= , generates a photo, or makes a decision. This is where AI delivers busines= s value. For anyone building with AI, understanding how to make inference f= ast, scalable, and cost-effective is the key to creating successful solutio= ns."

Adam

On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 11:14= =E2=80=AFAM Greg Lindahl <greg@commoncrawl.org> wrote:
That's not what AI In= ference means.

On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 2:13=E2=80=AFPM Adam and Joanne Gall= agher <insp= iredtaste@gmail.com> wrote:
No, AI inference is producing AI recipe= s riddled with errors that use our brand name to compete against us in sear= ch in the form of AI Overviews and AI Mode outputs. I go into this in detai= l in my post I linked to. Here is the link again: https:/= /www.inspiredtaste.net/101454/ai-recipes-harming-trust/

<= div>To review the definition of AI inference that is discussed on this Goog= le document: https://cloud.google.com/discover/what-is-ai-inferen= ce.=C2=A0AI inference is t= he computational process happening behind the scenes, and the AI Overview i= s the final text output of the inference process.=C2=A0When someone types a= query into Google, the trained model takes the query and applies what it l= earned to generate a unique summary. This execution phase of taking the pro= mpt and producing an output is by definition AI inference. Bottom line,=C2= =A0AI inference is doin= g the harm and we don't have preferences to stop this from happening. A= s a publisher of information this is a major problem and the entire open we= b currently has this problem.=C2=A0

Adam
On Sat, = Aug 1, 2026 at 11:00=E2=80=AFAM Greg Lindahl <greg@commoncrawl.org> wrote:
> A= I inference is what is proactively being used in search at global scales wh= ich is causing grave harm to our business.

Are you harme= d by AI inference intending to suppress pornography in search results?

One great thing about the IETF process is that it brin= gs together many communities -- in this case, both publishers and search en= gine implementers.

This particular topic has come = up several times in the past.

-- greg

On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 1:19=E2=80=AFPM Adam and Joanne Gallagher &l= t;inspiredtast= e@gmail.com> wrote:
I completely agree with N= ate on this. AI inference is what is proactively being used in search at gl= obal scales which is causing grave harm to our business. We currently don&#= 39;t have any inference preferences to stop it without removing ourselves f= rom AI outputs entirely. With the lines between organic index search and AI= search being blurred at alarming rates this would be insane for us to do. = It is essentially a hostage situation right now. Here is a detailed post th= at describes how AI inference is misrepresenting our brand and competing ag= ainst us with our content at scales never before seen. It is wildly unsusta= inable. Article link: https://www.inspiredtaste.net/10145= 4/ai-recipes-harming-trust/

Our business despe= rately needs preferences to stop this from happening as soon as possible. P= utting aside the training on our content that has already happened without = our permission, inference is what is causing (doing) harm to our business i= n the form of AI misinformation.=C2=A0

Publishers = need to have much more control of inference. It should be a core mission of= this working group to define inference preferences and vocabulary.=C2=A0

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