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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"">Hi, all,<br><br>I agree with Luis=
. In the actual application process, it can be challenging to completely s=
eparate the deployment and routing of services. When faced with a situatio=
n where the existing service instances within the current network fail to =
meet the demands of users,  providers need to consider deploying new servi=
ce instances. In such cases, deployment and routing issues must be treated=
 as interconnected aspects that require simultaneous consideration.<br><br=
>Regarding metric design, response latency, encompassing communication del=
ay between the client and service site, as well as processing delay at the=
 service site, is a fundamental metric. It captures both communication and=
 computing aspects. Other metrics can be designed based on specific needs.=
 For example, service instance quality may be important in certain cases.<=
br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Weilin</div><div>&nbsp;</div><hr style=3D"WIDT=
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pan><div style=3D"MARGIN: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><di=
v>weilin_wang@bjtu.edu.cn</div></div></span></div><blockquote style=3D"mar=
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FT: 8px; FONT-SIZE: 12px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma;COLOR:#000000; BACKGROUND: #ef=
efef; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 8px"><div><b>From:</b>&nbsp;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com">LUIS MIGUEL CONTRE=
RAS MURILLO</a></div><div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2023-11-03&nbsp;05:38</div><di=
v><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.=
uk</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:jros@qti.qualcomm.com">'Jordi Ros Giralt'</a>; <=
a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@futurewei.com">'Linda Dunbar'</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:cats@ietf.org">cats@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:alto@ietf.o=
rg">alto@ietf.org</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: [Cats] [alto] New=
 draft on joint exposure of network and compute information</div></div></d=
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ent_body" lang=3D"ES" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:br=
eak-word">=0A<div class=3D"WordSection1">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Adrian, all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think that the approach is for what pur=
pose we need the compute metrics, rather than who will make use of them (i=
.e. CATS, ALTO, etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US">In our view we need compute-related metrics for the entir=
e service lifecycle: instantiation, traffic steering, assurance, migration=
, etc. So our proposal is to define consistent metrics=0A that could serve=
 for all those purposes, independently of who use them (which could happen=
 at different stages of the service lifecycle by different solutions).<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In a sim=
ple analogy with networking metrics, latency or packet loss apply to whate=
ver stage of the service lifecycle we are considering (e.g., path computat=
ion, traffic forwarding, monitoring=0A of communication service health, et=
c).<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">B=
est regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:=
EN-US">Luis<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A=
<div>=0A<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3=
.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>De:</b> alto &lt;alto-bounc=
es@ietf.org&gt; <b>En nombre de </b>=0AAdrian Farrel<br>=0A<b>Enviado el:<=
/b> jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023 21:43<br>=0A<b>Para:</b> 'Jordi Ros Gir=
alt' &lt;jros@qti.qualcomm.com&gt;; 'Linda Dunbar' &lt;linda.dunbar@future=
wei.com&gt;; cats@ietf.org; alto@ietf.org<br>=0A<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [alto] =
New draft on joint exposure of network and compute information<o:p></o:p><=
/p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-=
US">So, my view is that CATS is specifically chartered to look at these me=
trics. I think the metrics could equally be applied in ALTO (as I said at =
IETF-117 in the ALTO WG meeting).=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I had =
hoped that we might hold an interim to discuss metrics, but progress has b=
een slow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That said, the CATS list has rece=
ntly been discussing metrics a bit, and I hope we can build on that.=0A<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D=
"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would like to hear lots of opinions. At the=
 moment, I don=E2=80=99t mind much whether there is consensus or strong de=
bate. I=E2=80=99d just like to hear many voices.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">What are the factors:<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<ul style=3D"margin-to=
p:0cm" type=3D"disc">=0A<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-lef=
t:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-l=
anguage:EN-US">Simple?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph=
" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Generic?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li cla=
ss=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Variable or stat=
ic?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-l=
eft:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US">Actual compute load/capability versus anticipated delay f=
or a =E2=80=9Cstandard=E2=80=9D compute action?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo=
3"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">&lt;your idea=
 here&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lang=
uage:EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Adrian<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-l=
anguage:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<div>=0A<div style=3D"border=
:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">=0A<p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"> alto &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alto-bounces@ietf.org">alto-bounces@ietf.or=
g</a>&gt;=0A<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordi Ros Giralt<br>=0A<b>Sent:</b> 02 Nov=
ember 2023 17:58<br>=0A<b>To:</b> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda=
.dunbar@futurewei.com">linda.dunbar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;;=0A<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:cats@ietf.org">cats@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:alto@ietf.org">=
=0Aalto@ietf.org</a><br>=0A<b>Subject:</b> Re: [alto] New draft on joint e=
xposure of network and compute information<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=
=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"=
font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Tha=
nks Linda.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">These metrics can be =
common to a variety of use cases. That is, the same common metrics can be =
used to support the CATS use cases (exposure to the ingress=0A point) or (=
as suggested by this draft) to support service providers and applications =
to make service deployment and selection decisions. The two efforts (netwo=
rk and application layer) can complement each other to achieve the perform=
ance requirements.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A<=
/div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">As for m=
etrics, it depends on the application, but certainly on the compute side, =
CPU, GPU, NPU, memory, storage are all important to make proper placement=
=0A and selection decisions. A good part is that, in general, for a given =
application (e.g., AI inference), the requirements to run it are generally=
 well-known at deployment/selection time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=
=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=
=0A<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB">=0A<hr size=3D"1" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">=0A</=
span></div>=0A<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span=
 lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"color:black"> Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@fu=
turewei.com">linda.dunbar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;<br>=0A<b>Sent:</b> Wednesd=
ay, November 1, 2023 18:15<br>=0A<b>To:</b> Jordi Ros Giralt &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jros@qti.qualcomm.com">jros@qti.qualcomm.com</a>&gt;;=0A<a href=
=3D"mailto:cats@ietf.org">cats@ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cats@iet=
f.org">cats@ietf.org</a>&gt;;=0A<a href=3D"mailto:alto@ietf.org">alto@ietf=
.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alto@ietf.org">alto@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>=0A=
<b>Subject:</b> RE: New draft on joint exposure of network and compute inf=
ormation</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<div>=0A<p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<=
/div>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><=
strong><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">WARNING:</span></stron=
g><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">=0A This email originated f=
rom outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and d=
o not enable macros.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<=
div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jordi, <o:p></=
o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">In additi=
on, CATS WG is discussing many more metrics that can impact the service pe=
rformance.=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US">Really appreciate if you can elaborate more on the new metric=
s that impact the deployment and path section. It will be very useful.=0A<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp=
;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Tha=
nks, Linda<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<div>=0A<div style=3D"border:non=
e;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">=0A<p class=3D=
"xmsonormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
 Linda Dunbar=0A<br>=0A<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 1, 2023 12:11 PM<b=
r>=0A<b>To:</b> Jordi Ros Giralt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jros@qti.qualcomm.c=
om">jros@qti.qualcomm.com</a>&gt;;=0A<a href=3D"mailto:cats@ietf.org">cats=
@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:alto@ietf.org">=0Aalto@ietf.org</a><br>=
=0A<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:idr@ietf.org">idr@ietf.org</a><br>=0A<b>Su=
bject:</b> RE: New draft on joint exposure of network and compute informat=
ion<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US">Jordi, <o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Your draft describes two aspects of the service pe=
rformance impacted by the Computing: Service Deployment and &nbsp;Service =
(Path) Selection. Those two should be separated, as the Service Deployment=
 belongs to the OpsArea,=0A and the Service selection (including Network P=
ath &amp; DCs that host the services) belongs to the Routing area.=0A<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=
=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-5g-edge-service-metada=
ta/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-5g-edge-service-metad=
ata/</a> has proposed a new Metadata Path Attribute and some Sub-TLVs&nbsp=
;=0A for egress routers to advertise the Metadata about the attached edge&=
nbsp; services (ES).&nbsp; The Edge Service Metadata can be used by the in=
gress routers in the 5G Local Data Network to=0A<span style=3D"color:black=
;background:yellow">make path selections not only based on the routing cos=
t but also the running environment of the edge services.&nbsp; The goal is=
 to improve latency and performance for 5G &nbsp;edge services.</span><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Can =
this Metadata Path Attribute address the problem stated in your draft?&nbs=
p; I CC=E2=80=99ed the IDR WG, so your comments on the Path Selection can =
be visible to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks, Linda<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"xmson=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<div>=0A<div st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0c=
m">=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"> Cats &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cats-bounces@ietf.org">cats-b=
ounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;=0A<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordi Ros Giralt<br>=0A<b>Se=
nt:</b> Tuesday, October 24, 2023 6:47 AM<br>=0A<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mail=
to:cats@ietf.org">cats@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:alto@ietf.org">=0Aa=
lto@ietf.org</a><br>=0A<b>Subject:</b> [Cats] New draft on joint exposure =
of network and compute information<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=
=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Dear CATS =
and ALTO WG mailing list members,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<h1><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"=
font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black;font=
-weight:normal">We submitted a new draft on joint exposure of network and =
compute information for service placement and selection:=0A<a href=3D"http=
s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rcr-opsawg-operational-compute-metrics/=
">=0Ahttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rcr-opsawg-operational-compute=
-metrics/</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></h1>=0A<div>=
=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>=0A</div>=0A<h1><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:1.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#212529;font-weight:normal">&nbsp;=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></h1>=0A<h1><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#212529;font-weight:normal">Joint Exposure of Network and Compute In=
formation for Infrastructure-Aware Service DeploymentJoint Exposure of Net=
work and Compute Information=0A for Infrastructure-Aware Service Deploymen=
t</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></h1>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D=
"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">This draft focuses on the problem =
of exposing both network and compute information to the service provider/a=
pplication to support service placement=0A and selection decisions. ALTO p=
rovides an interface for network information exposure to the service provi=
der/application; thus, an approach is to leverage and extend it with compu=
te metrics. CATS also needs to develop compute metrics to support traffic =
steering=0A decisions. The common ground is in these compute metrics, whic=
h could be reused across the various use cases (e.g., consumed by the netw=
ork as in CATS or consumed by the application as in ALTO).</span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">This draft also aims at providing a framework for continuing the=
 discussion initiated during IETF 117 regarding the presentation "Compute-=
aware metrics:=0A CATS working with ALTO": <a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/doc/slides-117-alto-compute-aware-metrics-cats-working-with-alto/=
">=0Ahttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-117-alto-compute-aware-metric=
s-cats-working-with-alto/</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsono=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Apt=
os&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">We would like to seek feedback from both =
working groups on developing compute metrics that can be reused for differ=
ent use cases, to avoid duplicated=0A work and increase the effectiveness =
of future standards.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<=
/div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">Thanks,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</=
div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Jordi&nb=
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