Re: [alto] [Internet]Re: Re: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team

[Jordi Ros Giralt <[e-mail]>]

Hi Qin and all,

I have created a ticket to track the creation of the design team for cellular network information integration and exposure: https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/issues/31

Teams Tencent, Princeton, Alibaba, if you could attend Tuesday's meeting that would be great: https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/blob/main/meetings-ietf-alto/ietf-alto-2022.md

Thank you,
Jordi


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Subject: RE: [Internet]Re: Re: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team


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Thanks Jordi to facilitate this work, I am wondering whether a design team can be formed for this topic, the focus could be cellular network information integration and exposure, i.e., how cellular network information can  be collected by the ALTO server,

How these information can be exposed in the form of ALTO cost metrics.

both on path and off path approach can be weighed in.

If Tencent can work together with Princeton and Alibaba, to come up with an initial version, we will be in better shape to present in upcoming IETF 114. Good luck,:)



-Qin

发件人: Jordi Ros Giralt [mailto:[e-mail]]
发送时间: 2022年6月18日 22:56
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主题: Re: [Internet]Re: Re: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team



Hi Yixue,



That sounds very good. If you could provide a draft a few days before July 11 (Internet Draft submission cut-off) this would allow us to give you feedback prior to your submission for IETF 114.



Also to your point, yes we also welcome participating/collaborating with Kyle and the Princeton team.



Thank you,

Jordi

On behalf of ALTO





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Subject: Re: [Internet]Re: Re: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team



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Hi Jordi and all,



This is Yixue from Tencent and I am from Yunfei’s team.  Last year, I also participated some previous work related to network information exposure i.e. MoWIE.  I am also working in 3GPP on cellular network architecture enhancements and network information exposure for cloud gaming and XR services etc.



Thanks for the encourage from Jordi for an I-Draft and we can do some further work on top of previous MoWIE draft and will submit before 114 meeting.  We will also participate 114 meeting remotely.  Hope to have more collaborations with you all.



To Kyle:  We are also interested in your PBE-CC and NG scope papers, and hope we can have more discussions and collaborations.



Thanks a lot!

Br, Yixue from Tencent

发件人: Jordi Ros Giralt <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
日期: 2022年6月14日 星期二 11:57
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主题: [Internet]Re: Re: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team



Hi Yunfei and all,



Thank you very much for your productive presentations during the ALTO weekly meeting on 5/31 and for your note below. We discussed your work internally and we would like to encourage you to write an I-Draft. We would also like to suggest that you attend the IETF 114 meetings so we can discuss as a group your I-Draft. We also agreed that as you write the I-Draft, Kai and I would help you by providing guidance and feedback as necessary on behalf of the ALTO WG.



Please kindly make sure you are aware of the important dates: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/114/important-dates/



Specifically, 7/11 is the cut-off date to submit new I-Drafts before the 114 meetings.



Thanks,

Jordi

On behalf of ALTO

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Thanks for the notes. I agree with Qin's suggestions on moving forward the work. Yixue and Zhuoyun,  would you please join the disucussion loop and give some input related to 3GPP? The synergy bw 3GPP and IETF, if possible, is very important when extending ALTO in cellular context.



BR

Yunfei





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yanniszhang(张云飞)



发件人： Jordi Ros Giralt<mailto:[e-mail]>

发送时间： 2022-06-01 13:44

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主题： [Internet]Re: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team

Hi all,



Many thanks Mahdi for taking the meeting minutes yesterday.



All, please find Mahdi's notes here and let us know if you'd like to add anything: https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/blob/main/meetings-ietf-alto/ietf-alto-2022.md



Thank you all for participating in a very productive meeting. We look forward to continuing conversations on this important topic throughout the next weeks and as we go into the IETF 114 Meeting in July.



Regards,

Jordi on behalf of ALTO



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Subject: Fwd: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team



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Hi Kyle, Jen, Yaxiong,



We will use WebEx for the meeting tomorrow at 9 AM ET:
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The goal of this initial meeting is to explore feasibility. We will give a quick overview of the current ALTO information structure. Then we can discuss how your work may be exposed to applications using standards to maximize its impact. If you want to go over your work and the latest updates before the discussion, please feel free to do so. We target a total of 45 mins.



Below is a short email that we sent to the ALTO working group.

Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow.



Richard



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Subject: ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team
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Hi ALTO group,



We will meet with the PBE-CC team (Kyle Jamieson, Jen Rexford, and Yaxiong Xie, all from Princeton) tomorrow at 9:00 AM US ET to discuss the possibility of exposing more network information for applications.



The direct relevant paper is:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.03475



Another related work:

https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3405672.3409489



One "grand" scheme is network information exposure from control channel, data channel, and control channel embedded in the data channel, e.g.,

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8888/



The meeting info is at the bottom of this page.



Looking forward to see the design team and more tomorrow.



- Richard on behalf of the meeting organizers


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