Re: [alto] June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links

Jordi Ros Giralt <jros@qti.qualcomm.com> Wed, 21 June 2023 13:14 UTC

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Hi Richard, yes, we discussed that it's best to use the mailing list to keep the conversations open. The Google doc is used to consolidate conversations into a single place, and we plan to review all comments and maintain the google doc every week and review it during our weekly calls.

Thanks,
Jordi
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Hi Jordi,

Will we use email thread for each topic as well? I am writing up a document for some aspects of Topic A and am eager to post :-)

Richard

On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 7:34 AM Jordi Ros Giralt <jros@qti.qualcomm.com<mailto:jros@qti.qualcomm.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

Many thanks Richard for the great notes and summary of our call yesterday.

Following up on the below plan, I initiated the conversation for topic A under this thread: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/alto/nSBb2fJwwEEEeZ-Xxw-OmHhJdTs/

Please use this thread to directly express your opinions on topic A. Other group members will be initiating similar threads for the other topics.

I have also updated the root document on ALTO future work to include the latest conversations about each of the topics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rpziU7NZEE8f84XkJSjMhEIHUA5G7rXkGB5c_7UFxUY/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks,
Jordi
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Hi all,

As suggested by Ayoub, Jordi and others during the weekly meeting today, starting from today, the note taker will not only update the meeting minutes page (https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/blob/main/meetings-ietf-alto/ietf-alto-2023.md), but also provide a text summary and comments, if appropriate, on the meeting. So below are my quick comments and the full meeting minutes are below; the archive is at the link above.

Regarding comments, the most important item that I, as a note taker, take away is the wonderful discussion about how to organize future work discussions. In particular, the participants divided the potential work into 4 areas, and created 4 github issues. We also created a common Google doc to allow systematic write up. The links to them are below.

In particular, the four areas and their coordinators are:
- A: Integration of data sources and their exposures; coordinator: Jordi, Luis and Kai
- B: Maintenance of ALTO protocol; coordinator: Luis, Richard
- C: Security and trust; coordinators: Ayoub, Junichi, Motoyoshi
- D: New architectural extensions; coordinators: Roland and Sabine

We sure can adjust the coordinators. So so, please let me know, and we can adjust the page. The plan is that the coordinators will closely with the chairs (Qin and Med) to make concrete progress. The coordinators will kick off the discussions.

Richard as note taker on June 20, 2023

==== Meeting Minutes Text ====

IETF, ALTO Meeting: June 20, 2023

Agenda:

  *   Transport and OAM documents
     *   Transport: https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/draft-ietf-alto-new-transport/issues
  *   OAM: https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/draft-ietf-alto-oam-yang/issues
  *   ALTO Future Work: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/alto/uIFD6Dhikfu4J4PYcpJTbsiXbnE/ https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/blob/main/FutureALTO/alto-direction-of-work.md
  *   Preps for IETF 117:
     *   Drafts and presentations that the ALTO group plans to work on
     *   Agenda
  *   New revision of Green Networking Metrics draft in opsawg: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cx-opsawg-green-metrics/

Minutes

*Note taker: Richard

  *   Charter documents: transport and OAM updates

     *   OAM: Jensen and Med had a discussion on the draft and submit the revision to IESG. The document is now waiting for AD review.
     *   Transport: Richard sent a note to Martin Thompson, to provide the justification on introducing server push using PUSH PROMISE. It includes two basic reasonings: lower load, and the feature is optional; Kai updated that Med sent two pull requests and sent the latest version for AD review, and wait for updates.
  *   Updates on future work on ALTO

     *   Overview: Jordi started with an update on the planning: Please follow the ongoing conversation on the WG mailing list initiated by Sabine, engaged by Jordi and Luis; the WG welcomes conversations by all; please socialize the ideas; leadership is important and please take ownership; this WG meets each week, and we do not know any other IETF WG that meets each week, but because we meet each week, we do not use the mailing list, which may appear to be inactive by those not attending the weekly meeting.

     *   Individual topics:

        *   Jordi summarized that from the mailing list, item 3 appears to be the most preferred; please do discussions, propose a charter item and then write documents; The goal is to go to 117 and should be prepared.
        *   Richard commented that one of his focus points will be on data sources, which can be more informational than standard. Luis advised that there can be two types of approaches: bottom-up (individuals propose ideas), and top-down (chairs/AD guidance).
        *   Luis suggests that we should take a look at chair-mentioned items such as BGP communities, and security; mid-term: such as data sources, please go to the mailing list.
  *   Work organization: Meeting notes work plan: Ayoub gave the suggestion that note taker shares the note to the mailing list, some kind of annotated meeting minutes. Roland clarified that the sharing notes can be double sent, or summary/highlights, or up to note taker. Organizing discussions: Luis/Jordi: email as record, GitHub tickets to organize; Jordi creates 4 tickets, and puts links to doc.

  *   Issues, leads, and working documents:

     *   Topic A:

        *   GitHub issue: #48<https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/issues/48>
        *   Topic coordinator: Jordi, Kai
     *   Topic B:

        *   GitHub: #49<https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/issues/49>
        *   Topic coordinator: Roland, Sabine
     *   Topic C:

        *   GitHub: #50<https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/issues/50>
        *   Topic coordinator: Ayoub, Junichi, Motoyoshi
     *   Topic D:

        *   GitHub: #51<https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/issues/51>
        *   Coordinator: Luis, Jordi
     *   Discussion Google doc:

        *   https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rpziU7NZEE8f84XkJSjMhEIHUA5G7rXkGB5c_7UFxUY/edit?usp=sharing
     *   Goals: Enabling conversations and concrete documents (compute, edge service, etc), need to focus; real good way to make progress is internet-draft (ID) as ground truth, from dynamic to stable, with focus on writing drafts for concrete results).