Re: [alto] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-xdom-disc-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
"Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" <ietf@kuehlewind.net> Mon, 28 January 2019 09:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: [alto] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-xdom-disc-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Sebastian, thanks! I think that’s the right thing to do. Can you check with Benjamin and Ekr if that is a way forward (eventually starting a new thread with both of them). If we can’t come to a conclusion (soonish), I can schedule that as a discussion on an informal telechat. Mirja > Am 28.01.2019 um 00:09 schrieb Sebastian Kiesel <ietf-alto@skiesel.de>: > > Hi Mirja, all, > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 11:12:32AM +0100, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: >> Hi Sebastian, >> >> so to summarize I think what’s needed is some discussion about what >> can happen if DNSSEC is not used and maybe even a requirement that >> certain data MUST be integrity protected. >> >> I think that could also address Benjamin’s discuss. Can you maybe >> propose some new/additional text for the security consideration >> section and see if we can first address Ekr discuss and then start a >> conversation with Benjamin? > > I think the discussion about what could happen without DNSSEC was > already pretty accurate, but I've reworked it a bit, see below. > > The authenticity of the whole scheme indeed relies completely on DNSSEC. > So the real question is, which level of requiring DNSSEC is apropriate > and will address both Discusses. My proposal is: > > All implementations of the cross- > domain ALTO server discovery procedure MUST support DNSSEC or be > able to use of such functionality in the underlying operating > system. Network operators that publish U-NAPTR resource records > to be used for the cross-domain ALTO server discovery procedure > SHOULD use DNSSEC to protect their subdomains of in-addr.arpa. > and/or ip6.arpa., respectively. > > > What do you think? > > Thanks > Sebastian > > > ----- Begin proposal for new section 6.1 ----- > > 6.1. Integrity of the ALTO Server's URI > > Scenario Description > An attacker could compromise the ALTO server discovery procedure > or the underlying infrastructure in a way that ALTO clients would > discover a "wrong" ALTO server URI. > > Threat Discussion > The cross-domain ALTO server discovery procedure relies on a > series of DNS lookups, in order to produce one or more URI(s). If > an attacker was able to modify or spoof any of the DNS records, > the resulting URI(s) could be replaced by forged URI(s). This is > probably the most serious security concern related to ALTO server > discovery. The discovered "wrong" ALTO server might not be able > to give guidance to a given ALTO client at all, or it might give > suboptimal or forged information. In the latter case, an attacker > could try to use ALTO to affect the traffic distribution in the > network or the performance of applications (see also Section 15.1. > of [RFC7285]). Furthermore, a hostile ALTO server could threaten > user privacy (see also Section 5.2.1, case (5a) in [RFC6708]). > > Protection Strategies and Mechanisms > The application of DNS security (DNSSEC) [RFC4033] provides a > means to detect and avert attacks that rely on modification of the > DNS records while in transit. All implementations of the cross- > domain ALTO server discovery procedure MUST support DNSSEC or be > able to use of such functionality in the underlying operating > system. Network operators that publish U-NAPTR resource records > to be used for the cross-domain ALTO server discovery procedure > SHOULD use DNSSEC to protect their subdomains of in-addr.arpa. > and/or ip6.arpa., respectively. Additional operational > precautions for safely operating the DNS infrastructure are > required in order to ensure that name servers do not sign forged > (or otherwise "wrong") resource records. Security considerations > specific to U-NAPTR are described in more detail in [RFC4848]. > > In addition to active protection mechanisms, users and network > operators can monitor application performance and network traffic > patterns for poor performance or abnormalities. If it turns out > that relying on the guidance of a specific ALTO server does not > result in better-than-random results, the usage of the ALTO server > may be discontinued (see also Section 15.2 of [RFC7285]). > > Note > The cross-domain ALTO server discovery procedure finishes > successfully when it has discovered one or more URI(s). Once an > ALTO server's URI has been discovered and the communication > between the ALTO client and the ALTO server starts, the security > threats and protection mechanisms discussed in the ALTO protocol > specification [RFC7285] apply. > > A threat related to the one considered above is the impersonation > of an ALTO server after its correct URI has been discovered. This > threat and protection strategies are discussed in Section 15.1 of > [RFC7285]. The ALTO protocol's primary mechanism for protecting > integrity (and confidentiality) is the use of HTTPS-based > transport, i.e., HTTP over TLS [RFC2818]. Typically, when the > URI's host component is a host name, a further DNS lookup is > needed to map it to an IP address, before the communication with > the server can begin. This last DNS lookup (for A or AAAA > resource records) does not necessarily have to be protected by > DNSSEC, as the server identity checks specified in [RFC2818] are > able to detect DNS spoofing or similar attacks, after the > connection to the (possibly wrong) host has been established. > However, this validation based on the server certificate can only > protect the steps that occur after the server URI has been > discovered. It cannot detect attacks against the authenticity of > the U-NAPTR lookups needed for the cross-domain ALTO server > discovery procedure, and therefore, these resource records have to > be secured using DNSSEC. > > ----- End proposal for new section 6.1 ----- > > _______________________________________________ > alto mailing list > alto@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto
- [alto] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [alto] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Sebastian Kiesel
- Re: [alto] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [alto] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
- Re: [alto] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Sebastian Kiesel
- Re: [alto] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)