[alto] June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links

"Y. Richard Yang" <yry@cs.yale.edu> Tue, 20 June 2023 23:47 UTC

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Subject: [alto] June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links
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Hi all,

As suggested by Ayoub, Jordi and others during the weekly meeting today,
starting from today, the note taker will not only update the meeting
minutes page (
but also provide a text summary and comments, if appropriate, on the
meeting. So below are my quick comments and the full meeting minutes are
below; the archive is at the link above.

Regarding comments, the most important item that I, as a note taker, take
away is the wonderful discussion about how to organize future work
discussions. In particular, the participants divided the potential work
into 4 areas, and created 4 github issues. We also created a common Google
doc to allow systematic write up. The links to them are below.

In particular, the four areas and their coordinators are:
- A: Integration of data sources and their exposures; coordinator: Jordi,
Luis and Kai
- B: Maintenance of ALTO protocol; coordinator: Luis, Richard
- C: Security and trust; coordinators: Ayoub, Junichi, Motoyoshi
- D: New architectural extensions; coordinators: Roland and Sabine

We sure can adjust the coordinators. So so, please let me know, and we can
adjust the page. The plan is that the coordinators will closely with the
chairs (Qin and Med) to make concrete progress. The coordinators will kick
off the discussions.

Richard as note taker on June 20, 2023

==== Meeting Minutes Text ====

*IETF, ALTO Meeting: June 20, 2023*


   - Transport and OAM documents
      - Transport:
   - OAM: https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/draft-ietf-alto-oam-yang/issues
   - ALTO Future Work:
   - Preps for IETF 117:
      - Drafts and presentations that the ALTO group plans to work on
      - Agenda
   - New revision of Green Networking Metrics draft in opsawg:


*Note taker: Richard


   Charter documents: transport and OAM updates
   - OAM: Jensen and Med had a discussion on the draft and submit the
      revision to IESG. The document is now waiting for AD review.
      - Transport: Richard sent a note to Martin Thompson, to provide the
      justification on introducing server push using PUSH PROMISE. It includes
      two basic reasonings: lower load, and the feature is optional;
Kai updated
      that Med sent two pull requests and sent the latest version for
AD review,
      and wait for updates.

   Updates on future work on ALTO

      Overview: Jordi started with an update on the planning: Please follow
      the ongoing conversation on the WG mailing list initiated by Sabine,
      engaged by Jordi and Luis; the WG welcomes conversations by all; please
      socialize the ideas; leadership is important and please take ownership;
      this WG meets each week, and we do not know any other IETF WG that meets
      each week, but because we meet each week, we do not use the mailing list,
      which may appear to be inactive by those not attending the weekly meeting.

      Individual topics:
      - Jordi summarized that from the mailing list, item 3 appears to be
         the most preferred; please do discussions, propose a charter
item and then
         write documents; The goal is to go to 117 and should be prepared.
         - Richard commented that one of his focus points will be on data
         sources, which can be more informational than standard. Luis
advised that
         there can be two types of approaches: bottom-up (individuals propose
         ideas), and top-down (chairs/AD guidance).
         - Luis suggests that we should take a look at chair-mentioned
         items such as BGP communities, and security; mid-term: such as data
         sources, please go to the mailing list.

   Work organization: Meeting notes work plan: Ayoub gave the suggestion
   that note taker shares the note to the mailing list, some kind of annotated
   meeting minutes. Roland clarified that the sharing notes can be double
   sent, or summary/highlights, or up to note taker. Organizing discussions:
   Luis/Jordi: email as record, GitHub tickets to organize; Jordi creates 4
   tickets, and puts links to doc.

   Issues, leads, and working documents:

      Topic A:
      - GitHub issue: #48
         - Topic coordinator: Jordi, Kai

      Topic B:
      - GitHub: #49 <https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/issues/49>
         - Topic coordinator: Roland, Sabine

      Topic C:
      - GitHub: #50 <https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/issues/50>
         - Topic coordinator: Ayoub, Junichi, Motoyoshi

      Topic D:
      - GitHub: #51 <https://github.com/ietf-wg-alto/wg-materials/issues/51>
         - Coordinator: Luis, Jordi

      Discussion Google doc:

      Goals: Enabling conversations and concrete documents (compute, edge
      service, etc), need to focus; real good way to make progress is
      internet-draft (ID) as ground truth, from dynamic to stable,
with focus on
      writing drafts for concrete results).

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